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Post by theropod on May 7, 2014 2:26:19 GMT 5
If a 9lb eagle can kill a 9lb cat, I see no reason that a 20lb eagle couldn't kill a 20lb cat. Female Harpies average ~16lbs, female Bobcats ~15lbs. Eagle has good chances. Against a male bobcat, weighing ~21lbs the cat has the upper hand. Show me the account where a 9 pound eagle killed a 9 pound cat (please don't use feral/house cats or servals). The account theropod posted was not parity the eagle was around 12 pounds the cat, considering its a female weighed around 6 or 7 pounds. You are continuing to exagerate the disparity. The average for female golden eagles in NA is about 11lb, and that for feral cat females over 7. While how you exclude "feral/house cats or servals" from the equation for arbitrary reasons is beyond me, I’ve actually provided an account of a golden eagle killing a scottish wild cat. The cat was probably as heavy or heavier than the eagle, and while from the same genus as one of them, it’s not one of the two species of feline that you deem unworthy of representing the clade in faceoffs (how convenient, isn’t it?).
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Post by Runic on May 7, 2014 5:27:03 GMT 5
Maybe weasels just being a dick. He keeps resorting to that same line again
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Post by pckts on May 7, 2014 22:45:30 GMT 5
Stop saying eagles 'tend to kill and eat felines at parity' Eagles don't kill cats at parity you only give examples and accounts of them killing house cats or serval kittens. BINGO! That is utter bs and I hate it when people say stuff like that after just being in a 10 page discussion where not a single weight has been given and in fact not a single verified kill on a adult cat has been used.
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Post by pckts on May 7, 2014 22:46:46 GMT 5
We have provided a account of a eagle attempting on a cat and being killed for it. And another account with images of a eagle who killed a cat but suffered life threatening injuries and the cat was half the size of the eagle or even a kitten judging from the pic.
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Post by Fragillimus335 on May 7, 2014 23:04:37 GMT 5
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Post by theropod on May 8, 2014 1:17:43 GMT 5
@fragillimus 335: The last one isn’t necessarily a predatory attempt by the owl. We have provided a account of a eagle attempting on a cat and being killed for it. And another account with images of a eagle who killed a cat but suffered life threatening injuries and the cat was half the size of the eagle or even a kitten judging from the pic. We have provided scientific evidence for house cats being on golden eagle’s diet, as well as several cases of cats being preyed upon by eagles.
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Post by pckts on May 8, 2014 1:18:11 GMT 5
Yes we have already discussed the serval KITTEN and what looks to be another KITTEN with bald eagle. The cat with the owl is alive still or looks to be that way so its probably a attempt. There are also accounts from cats killing eagles. So once again, whats the point? Lastly, its a Harpy Eagle vs a BOBCAT not a house cat. LOL
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Post by pckts on May 8, 2014 1:20:31 GMT 5
@fragillimus 335: The last one isn’t necessarily a predatory attempt by the owl. We have provided a account of a eagle attempting on a cat and being killed for it. And another account with images of a eagle who killed a cat but suffered life threatening injuries and the cat was half the size of the eagle or even a kitten judging from the pic. We have provided scientific evidence for house cats being on golden eagle’s diet, as well as several cases of cats being preyed upon by eagles. and...................... WHATS THE POINT? Already said sometimes HOUSEcats get eaten by eagles and sometimes eagles get eaten by HOUSEcats. But once again, nothing has to do with a cat with close to the weaponry of any wild cat. We have seen a bobcat attempt at at golden eagle and steel its kill and another stalk a golden eagle. Nothing from a golden eagle on a bobcat though... weird.
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Post by pckts on May 8, 2014 1:29:02 GMT 5
You want even more proof that the serval is a Kitten. Look at the limb length. Notice their limb length when kittens compared to full grown. Their limbs are a substantial % of their body when full grown and when young they are smaller and not nearly as tall. adult above and kitten below and just to let you know, NO WAY is a maritial eagle pulling this cat into a tree, let a lone even attempting to make a kill on it. Nice try.
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Post by theropod on May 8, 2014 1:46:48 GMT 5
Making excessive use of capitalization and question marks won’t bring your point across. That’s frankly because there is no point in denying that eagles are predators of similar-sized felines.
Eagles eat cats, yes. Do you have any accounts of the reverse happening? No. There are two old accounts involving highly unrealistic circumstances, and those were both of bald eagles being killed while attacking the cats. That’s comparable to a warthog killing a lion that’s attacking it, it can happen if a predatory attempt goes wrong. Even that brings the important thing across, eagles are always the agressors and the dominant animal of the two, and that for a reason.
And that serval kitten in the picture is just as long-limbed as the adult, you just don’t see it as well because the adult is seen from an oblique posterior angle while the kitten is climbing with its limbs more strongly flexed and its body perpendicular to the line of vision. Of course that kind of forced perspective puts emphasis on the long-leggedness of the adult… And its time to realise not all adult servals are the same size, and how big an eagle really looks in relation to other animals its weight. A martial eagle’s wings for example will make even a large serval look small by comparison.
I think you need to revise your definition of "to stalk something". The golden eagle was rather chasing it away, and actually, the cat was evading its attack.
Lastly, it is a harpy eagle. You should just stop repeating that without an important point all the time. Harpy eagles are considerably larger and more powerful than golden eagles too.
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Post by pckts on May 8, 2014 2:54:19 GMT 5
Making excessive use of capitalization and question marks won’t bring your point across. That’s frankly because there is no point in denying that eagles are predators of similar-sized felines. Eagles eat cats, yes. Do you have any accounts of the reverse happening? No. There are two old accounts involving highly unrealistic circumstances, and those were both of bald eagles being killed while attacking the cats. That’s comparable to a warthog killing a lion that’s attacking it, it can happen if a predatory attempt goes wrong. Even that brings the important thing across, eagles are always the agressors and the dominant animal of the two, and that for a reason. And that serval kitten in the picture is just as long-limbed as the adult, you just don’t see it as well because the adult is seen from an oblique posterior angle while the kitten is climbing with its limbs more strongly flexed and its body perpendicular to the line of vision. Of course that kind of forced perspective puts emphasis on the long-leggedness of the adult… And its time to realise not all adult servals are the same size, and how big an eagle really looks in relation to other animals its weight. A martial eagle’s wings for example will make even a large serval look small by comparison. I think you need to revise your definition of "to stalk something". The golden eagle was rather chasing it away, and actually, the cat was evading its attack. Lastly, it is a harpy eagle. You should just stop repeating that without an important point all the time. Harpy eagles are considerably larger and more powerful than golden eagles too. O jeez, same ole BS. What does this say? news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1915&dat=18990323&id=0AwiAAAAIBAJ&sjid=dHMFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3059,6117179 Please do us a favor and read it! another, Cat kills Bald Eagle cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=LAH19020707.2.157 How about where the golden attempted on the tiny cat and had to be rescued back to health by humans? "Now here is a Tiny cat that was preyed on by a golden eagle and the "kitty" was still able to do enough damage that they thought the bird had died. www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=586948" Read more: theworldofanimals.proboards.com/thread/177/harpy-eagle-bobcat?page=10#ixzz314M6iIsFSo once again, these have already been posted here. Stop denying them. I like your bs about the "golden eagle chasing it away" Really, is that why the cat is circling? Looks intent on pouncing. What about the eagle standing over its kill and barely escaping with its life and certainly not trying to defend a kill! Lastly, Harpy Eagle get to 20lbs and Bobcats get to 40lbs!!!!!
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Post by Weasel on May 8, 2014 4:28:22 GMT 5
Show me the account where a 9 pound eagle killed a 9 pound cat (please don't use feral/house cats or servals). The account theropod posted was not parity the eagle was around 12 pounds the cat, considering its a female weighed around 6 or 7 pounds. You are continuing to exagerate the disparity. The average for female golden eagles in NA is about 11lb, and that for feral cat females over 7. While how you exclude "feral/house cats or servals" from the equation for arbitrary reasons is beyond me, I’ve actually provided an account of a golden eagle killing a scottish wild cat. The cat was probably as heavy or heavier than the eagle, and while from the same genus as one of them, it’s not one of the two species of feline that you deem unworthy of representing the clade in faceoffs (how convenient, isn’t it?). You have never posted a 'detailed' account of golden eagle killing a wild cat! you only posted one where age/sex is not given.
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Post by Weasel on May 8, 2014 4:30:46 GMT 5
Maybe weasels just being a dick. He keeps resorting to that same line again So now im a "dick" don't blame me for the account not being at parity.
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Post by Weasel on May 8, 2014 4:35:17 GMT 5
1st pic is a housecat, if you look at my post I didn't want house cat accounts. 2nd pic is a kitten, and don't bring up that whole "eagles look larger" argument because you can tell its a kitten 3rd pic is also a housecat or feral.
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Post by Weasel on May 8, 2014 4:37:13 GMT 5
@fragillimus 335: The last one isn’t necessarily a predatory attempt by the owl. We have provided a account of a eagle attempting on a cat and being killed for it. And another account with images of a eagle who killed a cat but suffered life threatening injuries and the cat was half the size of the eagle or even a kitten judging from the pic. We have provided scientific evidence for house cats being on golden eagle’s diet, as well as several cases of cats being preyed upon by eagles. Eagles kill housecats and serval kittens? how impressive !!!
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