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Post by theropod on May 5, 2014 21:07:01 GMT 5
creature386: I’ve replaced the link. Here, hope it works: books.google.at/books?id=aj5MNvCkun0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=the+golden+eagle&hl=de&sa=X&ei=7rVnU4X1GI2y7Aack4GACQ&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=wild%20cat&f=falseThe second of the search results is what made me aware of that account. WeaselThe Golden Eagle: King of Birds by Seton Gordon (Citadel Press, New York. 1955) Note that I don’t actually have access to the book, I’m just reposting what was originally posted by verdugo on CF, so I’m not guaranteeing for anything. I find it pretty irrelevant that you have said that, as long as you haven’t brought any evidence for it that claim. According to the source I posted that’s the lower end of the normal size range for feral cats (3.3-4.5kg), so the average should be closer to 8.6lb. And again, please use averages for both of them, not just the cat. "12-14lb" is not average for any gender of golden eagles.
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Post by creature386 on May 5, 2014 21:20:12 GMT 5
Thanks! I guess p. 395 is part of the golden eagle's prey list, right?
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Post by Runic on May 5, 2014 21:44:26 GMT 5
Runic I already told you that there are thousands of different types of breeds but out of those thousand only a maine coon could make it parity. Let me guess your going to claim it was an african Savannah cat that weighs 25 pounds. You are such a fail. . . do I really need to list all the cat breeds that weigh as much as a Golden Eagle? Are you REALLY gonna make me go through all that?
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Post by theropod on May 5, 2014 23:23:05 GMT 5
A maine coon cat would outweigh the golden eagle on average. The same goes for a norwegian forest cat btw.
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Post by Weasel on May 6, 2014 2:12:58 GMT 5
creature386: I’ve replaced the link. Here, hope it works: books.google.at/books?id=aj5MNvCkun0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=the+golden+eagle&hl=de&sa=X&ei=7rVnU4X1GI2y7Aack4GACQ&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=wild%20cat&f=falseThe second of the search results is what made me aware of that account. WeaselThe Golden Eagle: King of Birds by Seton Gordon (Citadel Press, New York. 1955) Note that I don’t actually have access to the book, I’m just reposting what was originally posted by verdugo on CF, so I’m not guaranteeing for anything. I find it pretty irrelevant that you have said that, as long as you haven’t brought any evidence for it that claim. According to the source I posted that’s the lower end of the normal size range for feral cats (3.3-4.5kg), so the average should be closer to 8.6lb. And again, please use averages for both of them, not just the cat. "12-14lb" is not average for any gender of golden eagles. Was the link suppose to lead me to a book that claims eagles hunt cats? if so I don't know what that has to do with anything they could prey on kittens or subadults. If it was suppose to lead me to a 'detailed account' like you originally said, it did not. The other account does not state age/sex I already told runic that the average for housecats was 8.6 pounds but a few sources claim feral cats weigh around 7 or 6 pounds.
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Post by Weasel on May 6, 2014 2:15:09 GMT 5
A maine coon cat would outweigh the golden eagle on average. The same goes for a norwegian forest cat btw. "Maine Coons are one of the largest domestic cat breeds. Males commonly weigh 13 to 18 lbs; females average between 9 and 12 lbs"
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Post by Weasel on May 6, 2014 2:18:06 GMT 5
Runic I already told you that there are thousands of different types of breeds but out of those thousand only a maine coon could make it parity. Let me guess your going to claim it was an african Savannah cat that weighs 25 pounds. You are such a fail. . . do I really need to list all the cat breeds that weigh as much as a Golden Eagle? Are you REALLY gonna make me go through all that? The maine coon is the 2nd largest cat and females weigh 11 pounds, the largest is the african savannah cat but that is VERY unlikely.
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Post by pckts on May 6, 2014 4:19:46 GMT 5
Runic I already told you that there are thousands of different types of breeds but out of those thousand only a maine coon could make it parity. Let me guess your going to claim it was an african Savannah cat that weighs 25 pounds. You are such a fail. . . do I really need to list all the cat breeds that weigh as much as a Golden Eagle? Are you REALLY gonna make me go through all that? You are the one who is failing. This debate is about Bobcats. You try to use feral cats. lol Then I show multiple accounts of feral cats killing eagles just to prove a point. Maybe eagles have killed feral cats before and vice versa. So what??? That backs us way more than the other side. Because a feral cat compared to a Bobcat is a joke.
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Post by Fragillimus335 on May 6, 2014 8:43:50 GMT 5
If a 9lb eagle can kill a 9lb cat, I see no reason that a 20lb eagle couldn't kill a 20lb cat. Female Harpies average ~16lbs, female Bobcats ~15lbs. Eagle has good chances. Against a male bobcat, weighing ~21lbs the cat has the upper hand.
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Post by theropod on May 6, 2014 21:55:27 GMT 5
pckts: Lol, multiple accounts of feral cats killing eagles? Good one! So in your opinion, harpy eagles are the same size as golden eagles? For some reason I’m all the time seeing you complain how house or feral cats are not comparable to bobcats, but you never even mention a golden eagle isn’t really comparable to a harpy either. WeaselExactly, they outweigh golden eagles considerably on average.
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Post by pckts on May 6, 2014 22:41:46 GMT 5
If a 9lb eagle can kill a 9lb cat, I see no reason that a 20lb eagle couldn't kill a 20lb cat. Female Harpies average ~16lbs, female Bobcats ~15lbs. Eagle has good chances. Against a male bobcat, weighing ~21lbs the cat has the upper hand. Bobcats get up to 40lbs. At parity I still would go with a bobcat for the the superior weaponry required for a fight, but it is closer than a full grown bobcat, that is for sure. Theropod- Debating with you is pointless. Eagle gets killed by a cat. Your excuse is that it says "it MAY have been injured in the storm the night before" which of course means neither was or was not, no info. I post a account of a eagle being taken down attempting a predation on a cat, you respond with nothing. And there are more that I have posted. So yes, MULTIPLE accounts. LOL. And to answer your question, harpy are larger than goldens, that is for sure. But they are still half the size of Bobcats and out weaponized when it comes to a fight.
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Post by theropod on May 7, 2014 1:35:48 GMT 5
Large male bobcats may reach that weight. Normal body mass is much lower tough. At parity eagles tend to kill and eat felines.
Lol, you first be in full comprehension of the accounts, then we talk. They average well below 10kg for females and probably not much above 10kg for males–that’s what the consensus seems to be.
So when did I supposedly "response with nothing"? You mean to the account involving the bald eagle with the supposed 9ft wingspan being killed on a train, or the one with the cat using the eagle as a parachute (which I actually was the one to post…).
Their size ranges show considerable overlap–maximum size for bobcats reaches much higher, since they don’t have to fly, but the discrepancy of average masses is far smaller. Considering even red-tailed hawks can kill domestic cats, I can easily see the harpy doing that with a slightly larger bobcat.
If you seriously think the bobcat had superior weaponery you are deluding yourself. Nothing a bobcat, even a very large one, has has comparable penetrating ability to the talons of a harpy eagle.
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Post by Weasel on May 7, 2014 2:07:15 GMT 5
If a 9lb eagle can kill a 9lb cat, I see no reason that a 20lb eagle couldn't kill a 20lb cat. Female Harpies average ~16lbs, female Bobcats ~15lbs. Eagle has good chances. Against a male bobcat, weighing ~21lbs the cat has the upper hand. Show me the account where a 9 pound eagle killed a 9 pound cat (please don't use feral/house cats or servals). The account theropod posted was not parity the eagle was around 12 pounds the cat, considering its a female weighed around 6 or 7 pounds.
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Post by Weasel on May 7, 2014 2:12:17 GMT 5
Stop saying eagles 'tend to kill and eat felines at parity' Eagles don't kill cats at parity you only give examples and accounts of them killing house cats or serval kittens.
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Post by Weasel on May 7, 2014 2:20:45 GMT 5
The cat was female so if it were to be a maine coon it would weigh 10 pounds... not really 'outweighing' the golden eagle The average for most female feral cats is 7.3 pounds only males average 8.6 pounds.
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