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Post by Vodmeister on Jun 7, 2013 21:32:34 GMT 5
 About killing brown bears (female). In 2 cases the fight was brief. In 2 other cases bears put a good fight, tiger fur was found, bleeding after making the kill. One of these females weighed roughly 150-200 kg. |
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Post by Vodmeister on Jun 7, 2013 21:40:37 GMT 5
If Amur Tigers are seriously injured in the wild, they will likely die later anyway. Tigers need to hunt at all times, and meat isn't exactly easy to catch in Sikhote-Alin. Dale (aka M20) lived years after his fight with the female Brownie, that means he could not have been severely injured by the fight, otherwise he would have starved to death.
Dale was indeed found bleeding, but that does not mean that he was seriously injured. Tigers bleed from fights all the time, but they take it, hence why I consider them among the most durable terrestrial animals.
As for your comment about a 20 minute fight, I highly doubt that is true. I don't even think a Tiger has the stamina to last in a 20 minute fight.
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Post by Vodmeister on Jun 7, 2013 21:40:52 GMT 5
I have admitted some time ago, that the 420 pound estimate is not accurate. Mountain Grizzlies, adult males from the age of 5-20 average about 420 pounds. However, if you only take Bears of 12 years old and above, then the average increases to 490 pounds. Still, within Tiger range.
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Post by Runic on Jun 7, 2013 21:41:05 GMT 5
It seems tiger prefer attacking female brown bears a lot more than males. Didn't the large bear dale killed had a tiny skull?
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Post by Vodmeister on Jun 7, 2013 21:41:47 GMT 5
It seems tiger prefer attacking female brown bears a lot more than males. Didn't the large bear dale killed had a tiny skull? She was estimated around 400 pounds by scientists, a very decent sized female Bear, on size parity with Dale. |
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Post by Runic on Jun 7, 2013 21:41:58 GMT 5
If Amur Tigers are seriously injured in the wild, they will likely die later anyway. Tigers need to hunt at all times, and meat isn't exactly easy to catch in Sikhote-Alin.Ă‚Â Dale (aka M20) lived years after his fight with the female Brownie, that means he could not have been severely injured by the fight, otherwise he would have starved to death. Dale was indeed found bleeding, but that does not mean that he was seriously injured. Tigers bleed from fights all the time, but they take it, hence why I consider them among the most durable terrestrial animals. As for your comment about a 20 minute fight, I highly doubt that is true. I don't even think a Tiger has the stamina to last in a 20 minute fight. Yet tiger have done just fine with 3 legs in the wild remember? |
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Post by Runic on Jun 7, 2013 21:42:39 GMT 5
It seems tiger prefer attacking female brown bears a lot more than males. Didn't the large bear dale killed had a tiny skull? She was estimated around 400 pounds by scientists, a very decent sized female Bear, on size parity with Dale. Ahh this reminds me of the good old days. So he had trouble killing a female bear? |
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Post by Vodmeister on Jun 7, 2013 21:42:56 GMT 5
If Amur Tigers are seriously injured in the wild, they will likely die later anyway. Tigers need to hunt at all times, and meat isn't exactly easy to catch in Sikhote-Alin. Dale (aka M20) lived years after his fight with the female Brownie, that means he could not have been severely injured by the fight, otherwise he would have starved to death. Dale was indeed found bleeding, but that does not mean that he was seriously injured. Tigers bleed from fights all the time, but they take it, hence why I consider them among the most durable terrestrial animals. As for your comment about a 20 minute fight, I highly doubt that is true. I don't even think a Tiger has the stamina to last in a 20 minute fight. Yet tiger have done just fine with 3 legs in the wild remember? Don't compare surviving in Sumatra with surviving in Sikhote-Alin. |
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Post by Vodmeister on Jun 7, 2013 21:43:48 GMT 5
She was estimated around 400 pounds by scientists, a very decent sized female Bear, on size parity with Dale. Ahh this reminds me of the good old days. So he had trouble killing a female bear? Yes, a female Bear of his own size. A male Bear would also have trouble killing a female Bear his own size, don't underestimate sows simply because they don't have a penis. |
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Post by Runic on Jun 7, 2013 21:47:54 GMT 5
Yet tiger have done just fine with 3 legs in the wild remember? Don't compare surviving in Sumatra with surviving in Sikhote-Alin. Aint much of a difference. Then how do you explain all the other times cats have been severely injured and still lived? Like that hippo biting that lion or the leopard escaping a warthog? But anyways before we start throwing around charts and accounts and all. Vodmeiser, tell me how you see the tiger killing the bear in a face to face fight? |
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Post by Vodmeister on Jun 7, 2013 21:49:35 GMT 5
How's the Bear going to kill the Tiger in a face to face fight?
The same way.
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Post by Runic on Jun 7, 2013 21:50:08 GMT 5
Ahh this reminds me of the good old days. So he had trouble killing a female bear? Yes, a female Bear of his own size. A male Bear would also have trouble killing a female Bear his own size, don't underestimate sows simply because they don't have a penis. Lol I never heard of a male bear having trouble killing a female bear his own size before. But then again a male mammal is generally stronger and all around superior to females their own size. |
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Post by Runic on Jun 7, 2013 21:50:30 GMT 5
How's the Bear going to kill the Tiger in a face to face fight? The same way. I asked you first. Surely you don't think the cat will magically circle the bear like some fools on other forums. |
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Post by Vodmeister on Jun 7, 2013 21:53:33 GMT 5
Don't compare surviving in Sumatra with surviving in Sikhote-Alin. Aint much of a difference. Then how do you explain all the other times cats have been severely injured and still lived? Like that hippo biting that lion or the leopard escaping a warthog? But anyways before we start throwing around charts and accounts and all. Vodmeiser, tell me how you see the tiger killing the bear in a face to face fight? There's a big difference, especially in the winter. Food sources in Amur can get real slim for Tigers during the winter months. On the other hand, in Sumatra, food is pretty much available at all times. The Tiger was injured by the Bear, he was bleeding, but it was not anything seriously or life-threatening. |
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Post by Runic on Jun 7, 2013 21:55:26 GMT 5
Aint much of a difference. Then how do you explain all the other times cats have been severely injured and still lived? Like that hippo biting that lion or the leopard escaping a warthog? But anyways before we start throwing around charts and accounts and all. Vodmeiser, tell me how you see the tiger killing the bear in a face to face fight? There's a big difference, especially in the winter. Food sources in Amur can get real slim for Tigers during the winter months. On the other hand, in Sumatra, food is pretty much available at all times. The Tiger was injured by the Bear, he was bleeding, but it was not anything seriously or life-threatening. Mmmmm ok i'll take your word for it. |
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