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Post by Vodmeister on Jun 7, 2013 21:56:04 GMT 5
Yes, a female Bear of his own size. A male Bear would also have trouble killing a female Bear his own size, don't underestimate sows simply because they don't have a penis. But then again a male mammal is generally stronger and all around superior to females their own size. That just shows how little attention you pay, man.  www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNCWcgi0I_sIn this video, the male was bigger than the female, and she managed to defend her cubs. There's no way a male Bear could " effortlessly" kill a sow his own size without injuries, in a fight to the death, he'd struggle as much as Dale himself. |
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Post by Runic on Jun 7, 2013 21:57:25 GMT 5
Video fail lol and of course a sow with cubs is more vicious than one just wandering around.
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Post by Vodmeister on Jun 7, 2013 22:01:46 GMT 5
How's the Bear going to kill the Tiger in a face to face fight? The same way. I asked you first. Surely you don't think the cat will magically circle the bear like some fools on other forums. The Tiger has superior weaponry. Sharper and hooked claws give it better grip and allow it to slice and grapple at once. He also has longer, sharper, and thicker canines, along with greater jaw force - to put it short, the Tigers bite is far more damaging than the Bears. Secondly, the Tiger is the much faster and more agile animal. Contradictory to popular beliefs, this does make a difference. The Tiger would not only be able to land strikes, he'd be able to dodge more strikes too, and his swipes would have more velocity and momentum behind them. On top of that, the Tiger is every bit as strong and durable as the Grizzly, and he is the more truculent animal. This means that the more aggressive Tiger would be fighting offensively, while the Bear would be fighting defensively. The Bear has some advantages, such as having longer claws, more stamina, balance, and dexterousness; but that wont help it too much. Overall, I'd give it to the Tiger. |
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Post by Vodmeister on Jun 7, 2013 22:02:32 GMT 5
Video fail lol and of course a sow with cubs is more vicious than one just wandering around. A sow with cubs is more aggressive than a sow fighting to save her own life? Bold claim, no evidence. |
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Post by theropod on Jun 7, 2013 22:08:38 GMT 5
I asked you first. Surely you don't think the cat will magically circle the bear like some fools on other forums. The Tiger has superior weaponry. Sharper and hooked claws give it better grip and allow it to slice and grapple at once. He also has longer, sharper, and thicker canines, along with greater jaw force - to put it short, the Tigers bite is far more damaging than the Bears. Secondly, the Tiger is the much faster and more agile animal. Contradictory to popular beliefs, this does make a difference. The Tiger would not only be able to land strikes, he'd be able to dodge more strikes too, and his swipes would have more velocity and momentum behind them. On top of that, the Tiger is every bit as strong and durable as the Grizzly, and he is the more truculent animal. This means that the more aggressive Tiger would be fighting offensively, while the Bear would be fighting defensively. The Bear has some advantages, such as having longer claws, more stamina, balance, and dexterousness; but that wont help it too much. Overall, I'd give it to the Tiger. To me it sonds very strange you are seemingly giving the tiger nearly every advantage, even tough most reflect payoffs. But I'm not an expert on this field. |
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Post by grizzly on Jun 7, 2013 22:21:32 GMT 5
Dale is said to have weighed 445 pounds. The she-bear 440 pounds. At weight parity, the tiger had a considerable height and length advantage. But on another subject, finding an average weight for grizzly bears is a lot more complicated than with the big cats. A male grizzly is sexually mature at age 4.5 years but still considered an adolescent until 8.5 years. Even after that, a grizzly will continue to grow, not only in fat but in bone and muscle until he is from 12 to 15 years old.
In the field, when grizzly bear populations are being randomly captured, given a medical check-up, measured and weighed, bears ranging from 5 years old and up are listed as adult bears. No study has yet to be done for the purpose of finding an accurate weight for fully mature male grizzly bears.
Grizzlies ( Ursus arctos horribilis ) even though being one sub-species, can be divided into three classes. The barren ground grizzly of the Canadian and Alaskan tundra, the mountain grizzly, and the coastal brown bears. In my opinion, the fully mature mountain grizzly is the same size as the Russian grizzly ( Ursus arctos lasiotus ) averaging 582 pounds - Summer weight.
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Post by Runic on Jun 7, 2013 22:23:04 GMT 5
I asked you first. Surely you don't think the cat will magically circle the bear like some fools on other forums. The Tiger has superior weaponry. Sharper and hooked claws give it better grip and allow it to slice and grapple at once. He also has longer, sharper, and thicker canines, along with greater jaw force - to put it short, the Tigers bite is far more damaging than the Bears. Secondly, the Tiger is the much faster and more agile animal. Contradictory to popular beliefs, this does make a difference. The Tiger would not only be able to land strikes, he'd be able to dodge more strikes too, and his swipes would have more velocity and momentum behind them. On top of that, the Tiger is every bit as strong and durable as the Grizzly, and he is the more truculent animal. This means that the more aggressive Tiger would be fighting offensively, while the Bear would be fighting defensively. The Bear has some advantages, such as having longer claws, more stamina, balance, and dexterousness; but that wont help it too much. Overall, I'd give it to the Tiger. Weaponry is roughly equal as bear have claws to shovel out debris and flesh. Added the tiger may have a superior skull but the bear will be using his a lot more. Bears bite more times, have a higher R-Shift which means increased shearing power. Are more robust meaning their bones are less likely to break or similar from a tigers attack. Their loose skin makes it unlikely a tiger will slice them up with their claws. And bears have a superior fighting style plus greater grappling ability along with a wider more robust frame. They fight in a bipedal stance and throw their weight around knocking and thrashing their opponents. Therefore if the tiger wants to grapple it would be fighting on the bears terms which would ultimately be its demise. You seem to have basically said the tiger has superior weaponry. And last I checked longer and thicker canines are a hinderance rather than an advantage as it limits how rapidly you can bite. |
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Post by Runic on Jun 7, 2013 22:24:46 GMT 5
And I never heard of a male brown bear fighting defensively against a cat his own size. Not even in places where they co exist.
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Post by grizzly on Jun 7, 2013 22:27:43 GMT 5
The normal weight range of bears hunted and killed by Siberian tigers is 300 pounds. Tigers very rarely kill bears above this limit. The 440 pound female was an unusually large bear kill. Even adult male Asiatic black bears ( in the 400 pound range ) are relatively safe from tiger attack.
The only known fight ever witnessed by a reliable source between an adult male tiger and an adult grizzly boar was the 1943 Amur River fight which occurred on a sand bank island. The grizzly killed the tiger.
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Post by Runic on Jun 7, 2013 22:34:04 GMT 5
The normal weight range of bears hunted and killed by Siberian tigers is 300 pounds. Tigers very rarely kill bears above this limit. The 440 pound female was an unusually large bear kill. Even adult male Asiatic black bears ( in the 400 pound range ) are relatively safe from tiger attack. The only known fight ever witnessed by a reliable source between an adult male tiger and an adult grizzly boar was the 1943 Amur River fight which occurred on a sand bank island. The grizzly killed the tiger. Do you have the account? And the bear as your avatar is massive. |
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Post by grizzly on Jun 7, 2013 22:41:37 GMT 5
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Post by Vodmeister on Jun 7, 2013 23:28:11 GMT 5
Ussuri Brown Bear are on average 100 pounds heavier than Mountain Grizzlies, and 150 pounds heavier than Siberian Tigers.  Even if the record is true, it doesn't surprise me, with such a size advantage it would win. However, a Bengal Tiger would beat a Mountain Grizzly from Yellowstone, they are too close in size for the Grizzly to prevail. |
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Post by Vodmeister on Jun 7, 2013 23:33:47 GMT 5
The Tiger has superior weaponry. Sharper and hooked claws give it better grip and allow it to slice and grapple at once. He also has longer, sharper, and thicker canines, along with greater jaw force - to put it short, the Tigers bite is far more damaging than the Bears. Secondly, the Tiger is the much faster and more agile animal. Contradictory to popular beliefs, this does make a difference. The Tiger would not only be able to land strikes, he'd be able to dodge more strikes too, and his swipes would have more velocity and momentum behind them. On top of that, the Tiger is every bit as strong and durable as the Grizzly, and he is the more truculent animal. This means that the more aggressive Tiger would be fighting offensively, while the Bear would be fighting defensively. The Bear has some advantages, such as having longer claws, more stamina, balance, and dexterousness; but that wont help it too much. Overall, I'd give it to the Tiger. Weaponry is roughly equal as bear have claws to shovel out debris and flesh. Added the tiger may have a superior skull but the bear will be using his a lot more. Bears bite more times, have a higher R-Shift which means increased shearing power. Are more robust meaning their bones are less likely to break or similar from a tigers attack. Their loose skin makes it unlikely a tiger will slice them up with their claws. And bears have a superior fighting style plus greater grappling ability along with a wider more robust frame. They fight in a bipedal stance and throw their weight around knocking and thrashing their opponents. Therefore if the tiger wants to grapple it would be fighting on the bears terms which would ultimately be its demise. You seem to have basically said the tiger has superior weaponry. And last I checked longer and thicker canines are a hinderance rather than an advantage as it limits how rapidly you can bite. No, weaponry is clearly in favor of the Tiger. Bears have long claws, but they are like shovels. The damage large Bears dish out with pawswipes relies on power rather than claws. Tigers bite far more often than Bears in a fight, Bears actually wrestle a lot more than bite. Tigers' longer canines mean that its bite will dig deeper than the Bear - more evidence of superior weaponry, add that to the fact that all of the Tiger's tools are sharper, it's a no-contest in weaponry. Bears are not better grapplers actually, Tigers are better grapplers. They have sharper and retractile claws which help them dig deep and cling on to prey animals much better than the shovel claws Bears have. Tigers also have a greater rotational ability of the paw, and they have shorter and stockier limbs which provide them with greater power. Lastly, although Bears are durable animals, their tolerance to pain and injury is overestimated. They are no more durable than Tigers, and the Tiger would have no problem puncturing the Bears hide, it's happened lots of times. |
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Post by Vodmeister on Jun 7, 2013 23:37:03 GMT 5
In my opinion, the fully mature mountain grizzly is the same size as the Russian grizzly ( Ursus arctos lasiotus ) averaging 582 pounds - Summer weight. Opinion vs Scientific Data - Data wins every time! Ussuri Brown Bear; Mountain Grizzly;  Ussuri Brown Bears average 582 pounds, compared to only 222 kg (489 pounds) for Mountain Grizzlies. 100 pounds is a considerable difference. Now take into account that: 1. Bengal Tigers are larger than Siberian Tigers 2. Siberian Tigers usually do very well against large Russian Bears. 3. and Russian Bears are bigger than Grizzly Bears. I'm solidifying the Tigers' chances here. |
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Post by Vodmeister on Jun 7, 2013 23:49:39 GMT 5
The Tiger has superior weaponry. Sharper and hooked claws give it better grip and allow it to slice and grapple at once. He also has longer, sharper, and thicker canines, along with greater jaw force - to put it short, the Tigers bite is far more damaging than the Bears. Secondly, the Tiger is the much faster and more agile animal. Contradictory to popular beliefs, this does make a difference. The Tiger would not only be able to land strikes, he'd be able to dodge more strikes too, and his swipes would have more velocity and momentum behind them. On top of that, the Tiger is every bit as strong and durable as the Grizzly, and he is the more truculent animal. This means that the more aggressive Tiger would be fighting offensively, while the Bear would be fighting defensively. The Bear has some advantages, such as having longer claws, more stamina, balance, and dexterousness; but that wont help it too much. Overall, I'd give it to the Tiger. To me it sonds very strange you are seemingly giving the tiger nearly every advantage, even tough most reflect payoffs. But I'm not an expert on this field. I don't believe the Tiger has every advantage. However, as Black Ice wanted me to state why I believe the Tiger would win, obviously I am going to make a case in favor of the Tiger. |
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