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Post by rock on May 8, 2019 5:40:45 GMT 5
grizzly bear  matchups round 1 cougar  round 2 silverback gorilla  round 3 african lion  round 4 siberian tiger  round 5 american bison  |
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Post by rock on May 8, 2019 5:42:54 GMT 5
to me the bear wins until he fights the bison , the american bison will defeat the grizzly bear, in a head to head fight
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 8, 2019 7:02:53 GMT 5
Yeah, I agree. Stops at the bison hands down
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Post by rock on May 8, 2019 15:05:51 GMT 5
Yeah, I agree. Stops at the bison hands down the bison would beat him in a head to head fight, however in nature if they had to hunt each other down the bear would win , but this is a head to head fight so he would lose , although he would clear all 4 rounds pretty easily |
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Post by rock on May 8, 2019 15:28:18 GMT 5
Yeah, I agree. Stops at the bison hands down so basically the bear would beat the cougar , gorilla , lion and tiger? |
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 8, 2019 16:46:02 GMT 5
^Most definitely, yes.
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Post by rock on May 8, 2019 16:52:55 GMT 5
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Post by sam1 on May 10, 2019 0:57:12 GMT 5
There are some issues with the premise here.
It presents the Siberian tiger as factually more formidable than African lion..the problem is, that's not a given at all.
Contemporary Siberian tigers are actually smaller than Bengal tigers, their average weight is likely lower than even that of the lion.
"The average historical wild male Siberian tiger weighed 215.3 kg (475 lb) and the female 137.5 kg (303 lb); the contemporary wild male Siberian tiger weighs 176.4 kg (389 lb) on average with an asymptotic limit being 222.3 kg (490 lb); a wild female weighs 117.9 kg (260 lb) on average"
From Wikipedia. According to the biggest scientific research about the size of Siberian tigers.
As for the topic itself, it's hard to give a definitive answer for me since lion, tiger and grizzly are all capable of beating each other, and losing from one another.
Slight edge to the bear though.
So if I have to pick, it take the round 5 option. But that one is also a hard one, since Grizzlies have been known to take adult Bisons.
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Post by rock on May 10, 2019 1:01:40 GMT 5
There are some issues with the premise here. It presents the Siberian tiger as factually more formidable than African lion..the problem is, that's not a given at all. Contemporary Siberian tigers are actually smaller than Bengal tigers, their average weight is likely lower than even that of the lion. "The average historical wild male Siberian tiger weighed 215.3 kg (475 lb) and the female 137.5 kg (303 lb); the contemporary wild male Siberian tiger weighs 176.4 kg (389 lb) on average with an asymptotic limit being 222.3 kg (490 lb); a wild female weighs 117.9 kg (260 lb) on average" From Wikipedia. According to the biggest scientific research about the size of Siberian tigers. As for the topic itself, it's hard to give a definitive answer for me since lion, tiger and grizzly are all capable of beating each other, and losing from one another. Slight edge to the bear though. So if I have to pick, it take the round 5 option. But that one is also a hard one, since Grizzlies have been known to take adult Bisons. yes bears will eat bison but they only pick off old or sick bison or the calfs . and in a head to head fight the bison would win |
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 10, 2019 1:40:26 GMT 5
There are some issues with the premise here. It presents the Siberian tiger as factually more formidable than African lion..the problem is, that's not a given at all. Contemporary Siberian tigers are actually smaller than Bengal tigers, their average weight is likely lower than even that of the lion. "The average historical wild male Siberian tiger weighed 215.3 kg (475 lb) and the female 137.5 kg (303 lb); the contemporary wild male Siberian tiger weighs 176.4 kg (389 lb) on average with an asymptotic limit being 222.3 kg (490 lb); a wild female weighs 117.9 kg (260 lb) on average" From Wikipedia. According to the biggest scientific research about the size of Siberian tigers. As for the topic itself, it's hard to give a definitive answer for me since lion, tiger and grizzly are all capable of beating each other, and losing from one another. Slight edge to the bear though. So if I have to pick, it take the round 5 option. But that one is also a hard one, since Grizzlies have been known to take adult Bisons. I'd say the opposite. Round 5 is pretty decisive IMO, especially considering the weight difference. 220 kg vs 770 kg, and the bear very rarely predates on bison. Add to that the fact the American bison is very impressive for its size and you've got a decisive stop there. |
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Post by sam1 on May 10, 2019 1:48:58 GMT 5
While I agree that bison is a very hard proposition for the bear, it is definitely within realms of possibility.
I found a very detailed description of a fight between female grizzly and bison bull:(excuse the bad formatting)
"..I observed the incident from the road on the west side of the Yellowstone River near the outlet of Yellowstone
Lake (elevation 2,371 m) on the morning of 23 September 2000.
I was observing a grizzly bear with 2 cubs-of-the-year that were digging for pocket gophers (Thomomys
talpoides) in a meadow 300-400 m from the Lake Lodge.
This family group had been frequenting the area throughout the summer. At approximately 1200 hours, the bears began walking northeast along the shore of Yellowstone Lake toward the Yellowstone River outlet at Fishing
Bridge.
At approximately 1300, the bears emerged onto the road at Fishing Bridge Junction and crossed to the north side.
The bears continued walking north in a direction that would have taken them past a young adult bull bison lying under a tree 15 meters from the road.
The bison stood up abruptly when the bears were approximately 5 meters away. When the bison stood up, the bears appeared startled.
The adult female, then the cubs, stood up on their hind legs and looked at the bison.
The bison stood in an alert posture with his tail raised and head down.
After a few seconds, the adult bear lunged toward the bison.
The bison immediately turned away and began trotting east, up slope along a bench directly above the road heading toward Fishing Bridge.
The adult bear loped after the bison at less than full speed.
I drove east along the road, observing the movement of the bears and bison approximately 15 meters away.
After trotting about 50 m, the bison broke into a full run.
The adult bear then chased the bison at full speed. At the crest of the hill above the Yellowstone River, the bear swiped its paw across the hindquarters of the bison, knocking the bison's back legs out from under it. The bison began to slide down the steep embankment of the hill on its back.
After striking a tree with considerable force on its front quarters, the inverted bison continued to slide toward a pedestrian boardwalk at the base of the hill.
The grizzly leaped onto the stomach of the inverted bison and skidded down the hill on top of it while attempting to bite at the bison's neck.
The bear and bison came to a stop at the base of the hill on the pedestrian boardwalk.
The bear continued to bite and pull at the bison's neck while the bison tried to get to its feet. The bison managed to stand and struggled to remain standing, but the bear continued to pull the bison back down to the ground. When the bison did stand, its hind legs buckled under its own weight.
The bear took advantage of this and jumped onto the back of the bison, biting and clawing at its back, inflicting a number of bite and claw wounds around the bison's hump and lower back. With a quick head motion, the bull managed to free itself from the bear and stand up a second time.
At this time, I observed that the bison's left front leg was broken. This injury may have occurred when the bison slammed into the tree while sliding down the steep hill. The bison continued attempts to stand and fought off the bear with its head and horns for several minutes.
The bear stood up on its hind legs and swiped at the bull's
head with its paws. The bison reacted by rearing up, which caused it to slide backward into a ditch adjacent to the Fishing Bridge boardwalk. Being in the ditch appeared to put the bison in a better position to fend off the bear
with its head and horns.
At this time the 2 cubs, which had been observing their mother from on top of the hill, came down and reunited with her near the bison.
The bison continued to struggle to keep up-right and bled profusely from its back and hindquarters. The adult bear attacked the bison several more times, but the bison was able to use its head and horns to repel the attacks. The cubs did not participate in these attacks but remained nearby.
On 5 occasions the bears left the area and were no longer visible to me, then came back and the adult attacked the bull again, but was unable
to kill it.
The interval between attacks increased from
approximately 5 minutes to several hours between return visits.."
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 10, 2019 2:20:31 GMT 5
^I said decisive, not mismatch. But I don't blame you, I may have confused it myself had I not said it
Anyhow, I'll need to read that another time. The formatting does not allow for easy reading now
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