Smilodon populator vs. Polar Bear

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Smiloson populator
Smilodon, often called a saber-toothed cat or wrongly a saber-toothed tiger, is an extinct genus of machairodonts. This saber-toothed cat was endemic to North America and South America, living from near the beginning through the very end of the Pleistocene epoch (2.5 mya—10,000 years ago). Smilodon populator ("Smilodon the Devastator"), 1 million-10,000 years ago; occurred in the eastern parts of South America and was the largest species of all machairodonts. It was much larger than its cousins, S. fatalis and S. gracilis, possessing a massive chest and front legs, and is the largest known variety of saber-toothed cat. It was more than 1.40 m (55 in) high at the shoulder, 2.6 m (100 in) long on average and had a 30 cm (12 in) tail. Smilodon populator was substantially heavier and larger than any extant felid, with a body mass range of 220–360 kg. Particularly large specimens of S. populator almost certainly exceeded 400 kg in body mass. Its upper canines reached 30 cm (12 in) and protruded up to 17 cm (6.7 in) out of the upper jaw. Genetic evidence suggests that Smilodon populator and other members of the genus diverged from the main lineage of modern cats (subfamily Felinae) around 14-18 million years ago.


Polar Bear-Ursus maritimus
The polar bear (Ursus maritimus), a bear native to the Arctic, is the apex predator within its range. Its thick blubber and fur insulate it against the cold. Its fur is hollow and translucent but usually appears as white or cream coloured, thus providing the animal with effective camouflage. Its skin is actually black in color, however. The bear has a short tail and small ears that help reduce heat loss, as well as a relatively small head and long, tapered body to streamline it for swimming. The polar bear is a semi-aquatic marine mammal that depends mainly upon the pack ice and the marine food web for survival. It has adapted for life on a combination of land, sea, and ice. Scientists and climatologists believe that the projected decreases in the polar sea ice due to global warming will have a significant negative impact on of this species within this century. The polar bear (Ursus maritimus) is the largest species of all bears and is the largest terrestrial carnivore on earth. Fully grown male polar bears range from 7' to 11' when standing upright, and weigh from 660 to 1,320 pounds. Females stand from 6' to 8' and weigh anywhere from 400 to 700 pounds. The largest polar bear on record was over 12' and weighed 2,210 pounds.

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[dinosauria101]

I'd favor the polar bear here.
It's a lot larger, stronger, and more durable, and would likely have the capability to overpower and maul the machairodont to death.
But seeing as Populator was one of the most impressive felids of all time, it does have a chance

[rock]

May 13, 2019 7:31:54 GMT 5 dinosauria101 said:

I'd favor the polar bear here.
It's a lot larger, stronger, and more durable, and would likely have the capability to overpower and maul the machairodont to death.
But seeing as Populator was one of the most impressive felids of all time, it does have a chance

i favor the polar bear here as well . who would you favor if it was a female polar bear though?

[dinosauria101]

I'd favor Smilodon due to its size advantage.

[rock]

May 13, 2019 7:36:13 GMT 5 dinosauria101 said:

I'd favor Smilodon due to its size advantage.

if it is a female polar bear i slightly favor the smilodon due to size advantage , but even a female polar bear has a good chance even when fighting against a sabertooth cat. so i would give it to smilodon populator 6/10 of it is a female polar bear.

[dinosauria101]

^Yes, a female still has a fair chance. I agree there

[rock]

May 13, 2019 7:41:03 GMT 5 dinosauria101 said:

^Yes, a female still has a fair chance. I agree there

me too ,a smilodon populator has more of a chance to beat a female polar bear than a male polar bear who is twice the cats size and can weigh 990 lbs to 1,000 lbs.

[DonaldCengXiongAzuma]

I will go for the polar bear at average and maximum weights. The smilodon has longer canines and stronger forearms than a lion but a weaker bite and cannot grapple prey the same way a lion can. The larger polar bear has stronger jaws than a smaller lion which in turn has stronger jaws than a smilodon. The polar bear can still beat a smilodon at parity because of stronger forearms. The smilodon's long canines can stab prey's jagular vain easily but its different if another opponent is trashing around and fighting back. The polar bear's powerful paw can also break a smilodon's canines.

[rock]

May 15, 2019 12:57:30 GMT 5 DonaldCengXiongAzuma said:

I will go for the polar bear at average and maximum weights. The smilodon has longer canines and stronger forearms than a lion but a weaker bite and cannot grapple prey the same way a lion can. The larger polar bear has stronger jaws than a smaller lion which in turn has stronger jaws than a smilodon. The polar bear can still beat a smilodon at parity because of stronger forearms. The smilodon's long canines can stab prey's jagular vain easily but its different if another opponent is trashing around and fighting back. The polar bear's powerful paw can also break a smilodon's canines.

i think the polar bear would win this if its a male because it is larger , heavier , has better phsyical power and has better weapons . but if this was a female polar bear i think smilodon can take it high diff.

[dinosauria101]

May 15, 2019 12:57:30 GMT 5 DonaldCengXiongAzuma said:

I will go for the polar bear at average and maximum weights. The smilodon has longer canines and stronger forearms than a lion but a weaker bite and cannot grapple prey the same way a lion can. The larger polar bear has stronger jaws than a smaller lion which in turn has stronger jaws than a smilodon. The polar bear can still beat a smilodon at parity because of stronger forearms. The smilodon's long canines can stab prey's jagular vain easily but its different if another opponent is trashing around and fighting back. The polar bear's powerful paw can also break a smilodon's canines.

Who'd you favor if Populator had about a 10 to 15 percent mass advantage?

[DonaldCengXiongAzuma]

Smilodons do potentially outweigh female polar bears so you got a point there. Still at parity, I go for the polar bear slightly. The polar bear still has stronger forearms than the smilodon which is good enough to control the fight. The jaws and teeth of the polar bear can also slice open the hide of walrus, belugas, and narwhales.

[DonaldCengXiongAzuma]

May 15, 2019 17:24:20 GMT 5 dinosauria101 said:

May 15, 2019 12:57:30 GMT 5 DonaldCengXiongAzuma said:

I will go for the polar bear at average and maximum weights. The smilodon has longer canines and stronger forearms than a lion but a weaker bite and cannot grapple prey the same way a lion can. The larger polar bear has stronger jaws than a smaller lion which in turn has stronger jaws than a smilodon. The polar bear can still beat a smilodon at parity because of stronger forearms. The smilodon's long canines can stab prey's jagular vain easily but its different if another opponent is trashing around and fighting back. The polar bear's powerful paw can also break a smilodon's canines.

Who'd you favor if Populator had about a 10 to 15 percent mass advantage?

At close weights, I would support a polar bear over a smilodon slightly. A smilodon would be able to kill a female just as an Amur tiger killed a female ussuri brown bear almost its own weight but with difficulty so the smilodon would be able to do the same to a female yellowish white bear. However, a female polar bear is still strong enough to pull a beluga five times its weight out of its breathing hole and is still dangerous to the smilodon.

[dinosauria101]

May 15, 2019 17:33:53 GMT 5 DonaldCengXiongAzuma said:

May 15, 2019 17:24:20 GMT 5 dinosauria101 said:

Who'd you favor if Populator had about a 10 to 15 percent mass advantage?

At close weights, I would support a polar bear over a smilodon slightly. A smilodon would be able to kill a female just as an Amur tiger killed a female ussuri brown bear almost its own weight but with difficulty so the smilodon would be able to do the same to a female yellowish white bear. However, a female polar bear is still strong enough to pull a beluga five times its weight out of its breathing hole and is still dangerous to the smilodon.

Yes, in a temperature neutral environment this is pretty even

[rock]

May 15, 2019 17:35:10 GMT 5 dinosauria101 said:

May 15, 2019 17:33:53 GMT 5 DonaldCengXiongAzuma said:

At close weights, I would support a polar bear over a smilodon slightly. A smilodon would be able to kill a female just as an Amur tiger killed a female ussuri brown bear almost its own weight but with difficulty so the smilodon would be able to do the same to a female yellowish white bear. However, a female polar bear is still strong enough to pull a beluga five times its weight out of its breathing hole and is still dangerous to the smilodon.

Yes, in a temperature neutral environment this is pretty even

i would back a male polar bear to beat a male or female smilodon populator at average or at even weights . but a smilodon would have a chance to beat a female polar bear .

[DonaldCengXiongAzuma]

I think all three of us agree on the same subject except with a few minimal disagreements.