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Post by dinosauria101 on Jun 8, 2019 9:20:34 GMT 5
African (Cape) Buffaloes (6) - Syncerus caffer The African buffalo, affalo, nyati, Mbogo or Cape buffalo (Syncerus caffer) is a large African bovine. It is not closely related to the slightly larger wild Asian water buffalo, but its ancestry remains unclear. Owing to its unpredictable nature which makes it highly dangerous to humans, it has not been domesticated, unlike its Asian counterpart, the domestic Asian water buffalo. The Cape buffalo is a very robust species. Its shoulder height can range from 1 to 1.7 m (3.3 to 5.6 ft) and its head-and-body length can range from 1.7 to 3.4 m (5.6 to 11 ft). The tail can range from 70 to 110 cm (28 to 43 in) long. Savannah type buffaloes weigh 500 to 910 kg (1,100 to 2,000 lb), with males, normally larger than females, averaging 768 kg (1703 lbs). A record-sized savannah-type male weighed 1,000 kg (2,200 lb). Forest type buffaloes, at 250 to 455 kg (550 to 1,000 lb), are only half that size. Its head is carried low, its top located below the backline. The front hooves of the buffalo are wider than the rear, which is associated with the need to support the weight of the front part of the body, which is more powerful than the back.  African Bush Elephant (cow) - Loxodonta africana African elephants are the heaviest land animal, and the second tallest in the Animal Kingdom. They are a sexually dimorphic species; males appear larger than females. The height of a bull at his shoulder is about twelve feet (about 3.75 m), when the female’s height is nine feet (about 3 m). They have enormous ears, each measuring about four feet (120-125 cm) across. They have a unique nose that is simply a long, boneless trunk extending from the upper lip. The trunk usually measures about five feet long (about 150 cm) and weighs around 300 pounds (about 135 kg). The two finger-like projections on the tip are so dexterous they can pick a blade of grass. The trunk itself is so strong it is capable of lifting 600 pounds (250- 275 kg). Their incisor teeth develop into tusks about 8 feet long (245-250 cm) and can weigh about 130 pounds (60 kg) each. The only other teeth they have are four molars which are replaced three times throughout their lives after the previous set wears down. African elephants have dark gray skin which is scattered with black hairs that wear off through the years. As a result the adults are mostly hairless. Their skin is about 2 1/2 inches (2-4 cm) thick, but flies, mosquitoes and parasites still penetrate it. Female African Bush Elephants are much smaller, than males reaching 5.4 to 6.9 metres (17.7 to 22.6 ft) in length, 2.7 metres (8.9 ft) in height at the shoulder, and weighing 3 t (6,600 lb).  Credit to Wikipedia |
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Post by rock on Jun 12, 2019 2:53:11 GMT 5
i am going 50/50 with the slight edge going to the team of bovines.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jun 12, 2019 4:36:43 GMT 5
^What makes you so sure about a 50/50? I do think the elephant stands a chance due to tusks and durability, but that chance seems more like 30 percent than 50 due to the buffalo herd's numbers
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Post by rock on Jul 25, 2019 1:17:04 GMT 5
^What makes you so sure about a 50/50? I do think the elephant stands a chance due to tusks and durability, but that chance seems more like 30 percent than 50 due to the buffalo herd's numbers the buffulos may have advantage in numbers , but the elephant is a lot larger then all of them , and it would be hard for their horns to penetrate the elephants thick hide . i know that is only one elephant vs one buffulo but the elephant is a lot bigger. even a young elephant can surivive being attacked by 14 lions at once i still think each side has a fair side to win . note:sorry for not anwsering sooner i did not relize this comment until now |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jul 25, 2019 2:37:32 GMT 5
^What makes you so sure about a 50/50? I do think the elephant stands a chance due to tusks and durability, but that chance seems more like 30 percent than 50 due to the buffalo herd's numbers 1: the buffulos may have advantage in numbers , but the elephant is a lot larger then all of them , 2: and it would be hard for their horns to penetrate the elephants thick hide . 3: i know that is only one elephant vs one buffulo but the elephant is a lot bigger. 4: even a young elephant can surivive being attacked by 14 lions at once i still think each side has a fair side to win . note:sorry for not anwsering sooner i did not relize this comment until now 1: How? Each buffalo is 768 kg, while the elephant is 3 tons. They outweigh the elephant by over 50 percent. 2: Please explain how that video is relevant to the context 3: And as I said earlier, the buffaloes together outweigh the elephant 4: Yes, survive. But in a death match, I have my doubts about surviving a long assault Note: This was to correct errors or facts. I agree both sides have a good chance |
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Post by rock on Jul 25, 2019 7:10:40 GMT 5
1: the buffulos may have advantage in numbers , but the elephant is a lot larger then all of them , 2: and it would be hard for their horns to penetrate the elephants thick hide . 3: i know that is only one elephant vs one buffulo but the elephant is a lot bigger. 4: even a young elephant can surivive being attacked by 14 lions at once i still think each side has a fair side to win . note:sorry for not anwsering sooner i did not relize this comment until now 1: How? Each buffalo is 768 kg, while the elephant is 3 tons. They outweigh the elephant by over 50 percent. 2: Please explain how that video is relevant to the context 3: And as I said earlier, the buffaloes together outweigh the elephant 4: Yes, survive. But in a death match, I have my doubts about surviving a long assault Note: This was to correct errors or facts. I agree both sides have a good chance 1:they are by weight bigger , but by dimesonial size they are smaller , also it would be hard for them to get to the elephants throat , which is the only way they can kill him . 2:it shows how durable elephants are , even as babies 3:they outweigh the elephant but are not big enough to take down something on this size 4:elephants are very durable and have a thick hide , they are also very smart and can think out attacks more [not that it would be a huge part of the fight] |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jul 25, 2019 15:58:50 GMT 5
1: How? Each buffalo is 768 kg, while the elephant is 3 tons. They outweigh the elephant by over 50 percent. 2: Please explain how that video is relevant to the context 3: And as I said earlier, the buffaloes together outweigh the elephant 4: Yes, survive. But in a death match, I have my doubts about surviving a long assault Note: This was to correct errors or facts. I agree both sides have a good chance 1:they are by weight bigger , but by dimesonial size they are smaller , also it would be hard for them to get to the elephants throat , which is the only way they can kill him . 2:it shows how durable elephants are , even as babies 3:they outweigh the elephant but are not big enough to take down something on this size 4:elephants are very durable and have a thick hide , they are also very smart and can think out attacks more [not that it would be a huge part of the fight] 1: Dimensional size is irrelevant here. In fact, a good rule of thumb for you rock: Dimensional is for looks, but only MASS is relevant in fights. And how about goring the flanks and potentially damaging the vital organs? That's surely doable 2: Is that a female elephant vs a fully grown, healthy buffalo? Unless it is, it's a misrepresentation of this matchup 3: Please explain how. 4: You are correct that intelligence is irrelevant here, but elephants can SURVIVE. Do you think they can overcome something that bad in a no-breaks fight? |
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Post by rock on Jul 25, 2019 20:36:51 GMT 5
1:they are by weight bigger , but by dimesonial size they are smaller , also it would be hard for them to get to the elephants throat , which is the only way they can kill him . 2:it shows how durable elephants are , even as babies 3:they outweigh the elephant but are not big enough to take down something on this size 4:elephants are very durable and have a thick hide , they are also very smart and can think out attacks more [not that it would be a huge part of the fight] 1: Dimensional size is irrelevant here. In fact, a good rule of thumb for you rock: Dimensional is for looks, but only MASS is relevant in fights. And how about goring the flanks and potentially damaging the vital organs? That's surely doable 2: Is that a female elephant vs a fully grown, healthy buffalo? Unless it is, it's a misrepresentation of this matchup 3: Please explain how. 4: You are correct that intelligence is irrelevant here, but elephants can SURVIVE. Do you think they can overcome something that bad in a no-breaks fight? 1:the only way for the buffulo to kill the elephant is to get to the neck area , which even rhinos struggle in doing , while not impossible it would be hard 2:i dont really get this one 3:again i explained how , the only way to kill the elephant is to get to the throat , they are very durable |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jul 25, 2019 21:14:57 GMT 5
1: Dimensional size is irrelevant here. In fact, a good rule of thumb for you rock: Dimensional is for looks, but only MASS is relevant in fights. And how about goring the flanks and potentially damaging the vital organs? That's surely doable 2: Is that a female elephant vs a fully grown, healthy buffalo? Unless it is, it's a misrepresentation of this matchup 3: Please explain how. 4: You are correct that intelligence is irrelevant here, but elephants can SURVIVE. Do you think they can overcome something that bad in a no-breaks fight? 1:the only way for the buffulo to kill the elephant is to get to the neck area , which even rhinos struggle in doing , while not impossible it would be hard 2:i dont really get this one 3:again i explained how , the only way to kill the elephant is to get to the throat , they are very durable 1: So you're saying the elephant cannot be killed if the buffaloes gored the flanks and damaged the vita organs? 2: This is a female elephant we are using for this matchup (which averages 3 tons and has less impressive tusks than male elephants). We're also using 6 fully grown Cape buffaloes, so unless it's a 3 ton female elephant killing a 768 kg buffalo, it's not a very good representation for this matchup. Moreover, Cape buffaloes often attack cooperatively; how fast can the elephant kill one before being severely injured by the rest 3: Refer to number 1: You mean organ damage won't kill or damage the elephant? |
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Post by rock on Jul 25, 2019 22:15:45 GMT 5
1:the only way for the buffulo to kill the elephant is to get to the neck area , which even rhinos struggle in doing , while not impossible it would be hard 2:i dont really get this one 3:again i explained how , the only way to kill the elephant is to get to the throat , they are very durable 1: So you're saying the elephant cannot be killed if the buffaloes gored the flanks and damaged the vita organs? 2: This is a female elephant we are using for this matchup (which averages 3 tons and has less impressive tusks than male elephants). We're also using 6 fully grown Cape buffaloes, so unless it's a 3 ton female elephant killing a 768 kg buffalo, it's not a very good representation for this matchup. Moreover, Cape buffaloes often attack cooperatively; how fast can the elephant kill one before being severely injured by the rest 3: Refer to number 1: You mean organ damage won't kill or damage the elephant? 1:i did not say the elephant cannot be killed , i am saying it would be hard to do so 2:elephants daily kill buffulos 1 v 1 , i understand thats 1 v 1 but still shows how easily elephants deal with them 3:again it can kill the elephant but due to the elephants rough skin it may be harder for the bovines to win but they still have a pretty good chance |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jul 25, 2019 22:30:50 GMT 5
1: So you're saying the elephant cannot be killed if the buffaloes gored the flanks and damaged the vita organs? 2: This is a female elephant we are using for this matchup (which averages 3 tons and has less impressive tusks than male elephants). We're also using 6 fully grown Cape buffaloes, so unless it's a 3 ton female elephant killing a 768 kg buffalo, it's not a very good representation for this matchup. Moreover, Cape buffaloes often attack cooperatively; how fast can the elephant kill one before being severely injured by the rest 3: Refer to number 1: You mean organ damage won't kill or damage the elephant? 1:i did not say the elephant cannot be killed , i am saying it would be hard to do so 2:elephants daily kill buffulos 1 v 1 , i understand thats 1 v 1 but still shows how easily elephants deal with them 3:again it can kill the elephant but due to the elephants rough skin it may be harder for the bovines to win but they still have a pretty good chance 1: So did you mean it would be hard to kill the elephant by not goring the throat when you typed this: 'the only way to kill the elephant is to get to the throat' 2: That is often bull elephants. How often do females kill fully grown healthy buffalo determined to fight back 3: That's not an insurmountable barrier. The issue is the size disparity |
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Post by rock on Jul 25, 2019 22:35:23 GMT 5
1:i did not say the elephant cannot be killed , i am saying it would be hard to do so 2:elephants daily kill buffulos 1 v 1 , i understand thats 1 v 1 but still shows how easily elephants deal with them 3:again it can kill the elephant but due to the elephants rough skin it may be harder for the bovines to win but they still have a pretty good chance 1: So did you mean it would be hard to kill the elephant by not goring the throat when you typed this: 'the only way to kill the elephant is to get to the throat' 2: That is often bull elephants. How often do females kill fully grown healthy buffalo determined to fight back 3: That's not an insurmountable barrier. The issue is the size disparity 1:yep 2:mother elephants are known to attack crocodiles , hippos and water buffulos , in addtion , in a fight to the death where both are bloodlusted , aggresion should not matter because they will both be equally as aggresive in this case. 3  :i am not saying due to dimmesonal size advantage they cannot win but it would be harder for them to attack the elephants vital spots . |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jul 26, 2019 0:05:45 GMT 5
1: So did you mean it would be hard to kill the elephant by not goring the throat when you typed this: 'the only way to kill the elephant is to get to the throat' 2: That is often bull elephants. How often do females kill fully grown healthy buffalo determined to fight back 3: That's not an insurmountable barrier. The issue is the size disparity 1:mother elephants are known to attack crocodiles , hippos and water buffulos , in addtion , in a fight to the death where both are bloodlusted , aggresion should not matter because they will both be equally as aggresive in this case. 2 :i am not saying due to dimmesonal size advantage they cannot win but it would be harder for them to attack the elephants vital spots . 1: When elephants try to kill buffaloes, vice versa is often not the case 2: The horns are perfectly positioned to gore at the flanks and damage organs |
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Post by rock on Jul 26, 2019 1:39:43 GMT 5
1:mother elephants are known to attack crocodiles , hippos and water buffulos , in addtion , in a fight to the death where both are bloodlusted , aggresion should not matter because they will both be equally as aggresive in this case. 2 :i am not saying due to dimmesonal size advantage they cannot win but it would be harder for them to attack the elephants vital spots . 1: When elephants try to kill buffaloes, vice versa is often not the case 2: The horns are perfectly positioned to gore at the flanks and damage organs 1:correct , they typically never fight unless one is they feel their offspring are in danger , but on a regular base they eat the same foods [grasses , herbs , leaves , fruits] so they never have a reason to fight . 2:really the elephants hide is thick , even rhinos which have sharper horns then buffulos have a hard time penetrating their hide . |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jul 26, 2019 9:51:48 GMT 5
1: When elephants try to kill buffaloes, vice versa is often not the case 2: The horns are perfectly positioned to gore at the flanks and damage organs 1:correct , they typically never fight unless one is they feel their offspring are in danger , but on a regular base they eat the same foods [grasses , herbs , leaves , fruits] so they never have a reason to fight . 2:really the elephants hide is thick , even rhinos which have sharper horns then buffulos have a hard time penetrating their hide . 1: Yes, so it's a bit of an underestimation on the buffalo's part 2: How about 6 buffaloes working together and determined to kill? |
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