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Post by creature386 on Jun 24, 2019 23:27:05 GMT 5
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jun 24, 2019 23:40:55 GMT 5
Rock I think you should stick to anime fights. I know I'm not rock, but what do you mean by that?
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Post by creature386 on Jun 24, 2019 23:49:45 GMT 5
Rock I think you should stick to anime fights. I know I'm not rock, but what do you mean by that? Rock has contributed to both animal and anime fights* and sam1 wants to tell him in a roundabout way that his contributions to the former are suboptimal. *Random fact: I can't hear the words "anime" and "animal" in conjunction anymore without thinking of DeathBattle's "Top Ten Anime Betrayals" video.
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on Jun 25, 2019 3:54:00 GMT 5
Actuall bears (while not as agile as cats) are more agile than they look. A polar bear can jump 10 feet out of water etc. Bears are more agile than bovids as well. Back to topic, a smilodon fatalis will usually lose to a giraffe but can kill a sleeping one if it were asleep. Sleeping giraffes are more vulnerable when lying down. Well yes bears don't completely lack agility! However, they do have less of it, and that is why a Kodiak bear, polar bear, or Smilodon fatalis are not to be favored here I totally understand and agree with you. However, a Kodiak bear, polar bear, and smilodon can still kill a sleeping girrafe.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jun 25, 2019 3:59:32 GMT 5
Well yes bears don't completely lack agility! However, they do have less of it, and that is why a Kodiak bear, polar bear, or Smilodon fatalis are not to be favored here I totally understand and agree with you. However, a Kodiak bear, polar bear, and smilodon can still kill a sleeping girrafe. Even an AWD can. That exposed neck........
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on Jun 25, 2019 4:03:18 GMT 5
That's what I was trying to say. The giraffe's tall height makes it hard to kill them and they possess legs that can kill a lion with a well placed kick and even use these necks to fight. Giraffes are most vulnerable when lying down sleeping and when drinking water.
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Post by sam1 on Jun 25, 2019 20:01:28 GMT 5
I know I'm not rock, but what do you mean by that? Rock has contributed to both animal and anime fights* and sam1 wants to tell him in a roundabout way that his contributions to the former are suboptimal. This 😄
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jun 25, 2019 20:06:38 GMT 5
Rock has contributed to both animal and anime fights* and sam1 wants to tell him in a roundabout way that his contributions to the former are suboptimal. This 😄 Not trying to be rude or anything, but I kind of agree - that rock seems to put more work into fantasy threads
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Post by rock on Jun 25, 2019 20:47:26 GMT 5
Not trying to be rude or anything, but I kind of agree - that rock seems to put more work into fantasy threads honstley i havent had any good ideas for animal vs threads so if anyone has ideas than that would be appricatiaed
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jun 25, 2019 20:49:43 GMT 5
Not trying to be rude or anything, but I kind of agree - that rock seems to put more work into fantasy threads honstley i havent had any good ideas for animal vs threads so if anyone has ideas than that would be appricatiaed No problem, I'll see what I can come up with
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Post by sam1 on Jun 25, 2019 23:30:39 GMT 5
If you want to discuss Smilodon, how about sympatric scenario of Smilodon Populator( pack of 5-10) vs Megatherium
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jun 26, 2019 3:25:21 GMT 5
If you want to discuss Smilodon, how about sympatric scenario of Smilodon Populator( pack of 5-10) vs Megatherium Even better, IMO, would be a group of Smilodon fatalis/populator vs some large proboscidean. I will make a group of Smilodon fatalis vs Columbian mammoth tomorrow, but rock could do a woolly mammoth, for instance EDIT: No, I had forgotten about that matchup. It will be made at an indeterminate date
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Post by all on Sept 18, 2019 18:41:56 GMT 5
This is difficult match up to call. ( of course this match up would never happen so we can't be sure one way or another)It generally takes more than one lion to take a giraffe and at least one of them has to be male. giraffe kicks a lethal.
Smilodon has lot going for it too. despite their weight smilodon's were good jumpers so there is no reason to believe that they were not agile even though probably not as agile as modern cats. The 350 kg would come in handy. in lion pride lioness does most of the hunting. however when bringing down giraffe it is male's weight that becomes important. As far as damage smilodon can inflict the long canines can go deep into the flesh. For bite force scientist are divided some say that smilodon has bite force only one third that of a lion sacrificing force for wider gape and that makes sense. However others point out that in those measurements mass of the skull of the smilodon was not taken into consideration. If you take mass of the skull into account they believe bite force of smilodon was about 60% stronger than that of a lion. Smilodon would normally go for neck bite only if it had an opportunity. although those long canines were not as fragile as some would have you believe they still were quite fragile. Against taller prey and to protect his most valuable weapons it would often grab large animals with its very powerful front limbs and deliver deep bite to the gut. In giraffe case it would be to the back while putting all of his weight on it.
However if smilodon would miss his target giraffe could still kick him to death. Smilodon had very powerful skull so it would be harder to do than in the case of the lion but with enough force couple of kicks would probably do the job.
overall it is a hard thing to call and in order to determine the results we would actually need to see that kind of fight. Most likely sometimes one would win sometimes the other.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Sept 18, 2019 20:28:22 GMT 5
allCertainly is a close fight, but have you considered that Smilodon fatalis both has inferior agility to a lion and has never seen anything like a giraffe? That is why I lean towards the latter here.
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Post by all on Sept 21, 2019 20:21:26 GMT 5
That is actually good point. However despite slightly lower agility Smilodon is actually good jumper and is used to taking down large pray. I think I confused smiladon fatalis with smilodon populator who is much larger.
smilodon fatalis being significantly lighter would have significantly lower chances. Still that would mean that his jumping ability would improve. He would however not have the weight to pull down the giraffe one on one. Lots of it would depend on how close the smilodon would come to giraffe because ambushing it.
If he got close enough and surprise the giraffe it would be very different if the ambush was less well planed and executed.
But I think i agree with you. Giraffe would have better chances against smilodon fatalis than vice versa.
If there is a cat of any period that could bring down a giraffe one on one it would be some kind of smilodon. But probably smilodon populator not fatalis. Or an American cave lion.
If ambush was perfectly planed and executed smilodon fatalis does have a chance. But if there would be even slightest mistake in execution giraffe wins.
If two would know the other is coming that would of course change entire dynamic of the fight. Smilodon would start to chase the giraffe. she would start to run away. When he would get close she would kick him. once if enough, twice if necessary. Smilodon would be hurt but probably not killed because of his very strong bones and build. Smilodon would beck off and giraffe would run away. Smilodon would have to find its meal somewhere else.
However in comparison to lion. Smilodon has significantly better chances and would come probably quite a bit closet to pulling it off than than lion would.
Large smilodon fatalis still weighs as much as extra extra large lion. Smilodon actually is a very good jumper and has couple of tricks that lion does not.
If ambush was very well executed. As smilodon comes at the giraffe from behind and lumps on its back. There is a chance it could hit the giraffe directly in the spine with his long canines. (of course there is also a chance that they would break. Hower even if they were pretty fragile. They could not be that fragile otherwise they would be useless) This would be much harder for the lion. At the same time smilodon would have better hold on giraffe than lion would because of his stronger forelimbs. That means it could hold on longer and do more damage than lion could.
Bite force of smilodon is said to be only 1/3 of that of the lion because smilodon sacrifices bite force for the larger gape. This however might or might not be true. Smilodon still has very powerful jaw muscles. Plus the skull of smilodon is very heavily build. Some scientist actually believe smilodon's bite force was 1.22 that of the lion. Which is true I don't know.
However there is one more thing that that smilodon has that lion does not. Smilodon with its incredible ability to tear flesh with its long canines and large gape. As well as holding on to the prey with its very powerful forelimbs it can tear the belly open much quicker than lion can. Infect some scientist believe that is how smilodon hunted. B ripping the belly open. if smilodon's initial strike would be unsuccessful. ( partially unsuccessful not completely unsuccessful) If it could get to giraffe's side and rip are at the same height as ribs but further towards giraffe's rear. Even if it would not be directly at the belly ti could tear giraffes sides close to it.
If smilodon would get from giraffe's right side it could lunge its canines into giraffe's liver. The pain would be so extreme that even something as strong as giraffe would have to slow down at least a little. All this time time smilodon would probably be trying to climb giraffes back which of course would be a daunting task. However if smilodon would significantly damage the liver he might have realistic chance of jumping on giraffe's back.
Of course all this time giraffe would be running and kicking there fore initial damage at very first moment of the entire ambush would have to be severe in order to limit giraffe's kicking. Significant amount of damage would need to be done to lower back and the gluts of the giraffe. Damaging giraffe's spine would probably be necessary in order to prevent signals from the brain to reach the legs and eliminate or at least decrease giraffe's deadly rear kicks. Plus bites to the liver could happen only from giraffe's right side. And actually hitting the liver in the heat of the chase would be quite difficult and would have to happen by somewhat of an accident. And most importantly smilodon fatalis still does not have enough weight to pull this off even if it is larger than the lion.
More likely scenario is that would jump on giraffe but do only minor damage get kicked and ether stop the chase or if he would continue and get kicked until he would get killed. More likely he would stop the chase before he would get seriously hurt because he would not be able to keep up and in reality most hunts actually are unsuccessful with lions for example being able to catch their prey only once out of three.
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