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Post by Runic on Jul 29, 2013 8:57:31 GMT 5
Ok you guys we all know that even though humans are considered weak compared to equal sized predators, we have as a species shown that even the unfit of our species is CAPABLE (I stress that word severely) of killing healthy predators like leopards, wolves & baboons etc bare handed. So we aren't as weak as we claim. But lets up the ante, say there was a human species with predatory weaponry on each limb. The weapons are,
The jaws and teeth of a mandrill, sharp retractable claws like a cat (or long blunted like a bears or sharp and barreled like a birds whichever you prefer) and their skin was resistant to tearing. How much of a chance would you give this predatory homo sapien against
A Wolf,
A leopard/Cougar
A hyena
A komodo dragon
A Small caiman
A gorilla
A deinonychus
Do you think if humans had natural weapons like above we would fare much better or dominate? Or would be still easily killed?
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Post by Fragillimus335 on Jul 29, 2013 9:16:39 GMT 5
Human would dominate the Caiman, and the Komodo. The wolf and hyena would be a challenge, but quite doable for a large male. Gorilla, Leopard, and Deinonychus still wipe the floor with us.  |
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Post by Runic on Jul 29, 2013 9:23:08 GMT 5
Human would dominate the Caiman, and the Komodo. The wolf and hyena would be a challenge, but quite doable for a large male. Gorilla, Leopard, and Deinonychus still wipe the floor with us. I can understand the Gorilla (sorta) but I really can't see the leopard or even the drom "wiping" any floor with the human. Especially since baboons have more damaging jaws than leopards and greater grappling than either the cat or drom. |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Jul 29, 2013 10:15:08 GMT 5
Human would dominate the Caiman, and the Komodo. The wolf and hyena would be a challenge, but quite doable for a large male. Gorilla, Leopard, and Deinonychus still wipe the floor with us. this on the surface may seem mighty unimpressive until you realize that 6 foot monitor lizard weighs somewhere in the 20-30lbs range and this poor old woman lost most of the movement in her hand. For a 6 foot lizard to attack a person likely means that the dragon was desperate and not in the best shape itself. |
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Post by Runic on Jul 29, 2013 10:19:18 GMT 5
Human would dominate the Caiman, and the Komodo. The wolf and hyena would be a challenge, but quite doable for a large male. Gorilla, Leopard, and Deinonychus still wipe the floor with us. this on the surface may seem mighty unimpressive until you realize that 6 foot monitor lizard weighs somewhere in the 20-30lbs range and this poor old woman lost most of the movement in her hand. For a 6 foot lizard to attack a person likely means that the dragon was desperate and not in the best shape itself. Honestly I would think the komodo would be one of the most dangerous opponents in the op. |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Jul 29, 2013 11:25:55 GMT 5
news.discovery.com/animals/83-year-old-survives-komodo-attack-130411.htmthis on the surface may seem mighty unimpressive until you realize that 6 foot monitor lizard weighs somewhere in the 20-30lbs range and this poor old woman lost most of the movement in her hand. For a 6 foot lizard to attack a person likely means that the dragon was desperate and not in the best shape itself. Honestly I would think the komodo would be one of the most dangerous opponents in the op. its certainly deserving of its place on the list at anyrate, it certainly wouldnt be dominated. |
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Post by Runic on Jul 29, 2013 11:46:26 GMT 5
Honestly I would think the komodo would be one of the most dangerous opponents in the op. its certainly deserving of its place on the list at anyrate, it certainly wouldnt be dominated. Agreed, however do you see the predatory human beating the leopard and deinonychus? |
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Post by theropod on Jul 29, 2013 14:58:32 GMT 5
Is this human as unresistant to pain as normal Homo sapiens of our day? If so, the dragon coulöd keep it at bay with tailswipes.
Anyway, I think it takes the caiman (>= its own size?), and has good chances against the wolf, hyaena and leopard, as well as the dragon. Deinonychus will be more dangerous because it combines the extreme speed and agility of a cat or canine with very large, meat-tearing jaws and huge claws. I'd say the drom would likely be able to kill it easier than vice versa.
A male Gorilla would just be too much in terms of size and strenght, but a female could be taken.
Note that that komodo dragon attack would have probably been deadly hadn't she received medical treatment, and this was a smallish komodo dragon, not a large macrophagous specimen. Still I think the human could gain the upper hand in a faceoff because of height and grappling ability, making it more difficult for the varanid to land a bite. If it does however, the human has a problem.
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Post by Grey on Jul 29, 2013 18:56:50 GMT 5
This predatory human looks like a Crimson Head from Resident Evil.  |
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Post by Derdadort on Jul 29, 2013 19:24:10 GMT 5
A question: would this species be as clever as a Homo sapiens? If yes, the intelligence shouldn't neglected. In addition to that, I don't think a primate like this had been evolved, because our intelligence is related to the anatomy of our hands ("precision grip") and in correlation to a bigger brain we got weaker jaws. But, okay, you mean it hypothetical,...  A small caiman shouldn't make any bigger problems, a single wolf also. With the cats and the hyena there would be a draw in my opinion. But I think, a big Tiger could be more difficult. Deinonychus, well, on the one hand I think raptors are often overrated, but on the other hand Deinonychus was quite large. Maybe like a Tiger or it would be also a draw. Gorilla and Komodo dragon would be depending on size and/or gender. A big male Gorilla would be harder to beat than a female one. |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Jul 29, 2013 22:08:36 GMT 5
its certainly deserving of its place on the list at anyrate, it certainly wouldnt be dominated. Agreed, however do you see the predatory human beating the leopard and deinonychus? a large leopard would probably be too much and i would the same for deinonychus. |
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Post by Fragillimus335 on Jul 30, 2013 21:51:41 GMT 5
Human would dominate the Caiman, and the Komodo. The wolf and hyena would be a challenge, but quite doable for a large male. Gorilla, Leopard, and Deinonychus still wipe the floor with us. I can understand the Gorilla (sorta) but I really can't see the leopard or even the drom "wiping" any floor with the human. Especially since baboons have more damaging jaws than leopards and greater grappling than either the cat or drom. Sorta! A 350lb Gorilla would break us like a twig! We only get the jaws of a baboon, not the grappling ability. I'd rather get bitten by a baboon than a Leopard... |
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Post by Runic on Jul 31, 2013 2:22:02 GMT 5
I can understand the Gorilla (sorta) but I really can't see the leopard or even the drom "wiping" any floor with the human. Especially since baboons have more damaging jaws than leopards and greater grappling than either the cat or drom. Sorta! A 350lb Gorilla would break us like a twig! We only get the jaws of a baboon, not the grappling ability. I'd rather get bitten by a baboon than a Leopard... Ok A) The humans got weaponry comparable to a leopard which in turn have killed gorilla males B) Humans grapple a LOT better than baboons plus the claws added C) Baboons have been known to tear human arms to the bone with just their jaws when attacking. I'm afraid a baboon or mandrill bite would mess you up a LOT more than a leopard biting you. Alone & without precision big cats have some of the weaker mechanical damaging bites. They may be hard biters but that alone ain't enough to wreck something with a bite like wolves and baboons do. |
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Post by Fragillimus335 on Aug 2, 2013 1:35:47 GMT 5
Sorta! A 350lb Gorilla would break us like a twig! We only get the jaws of a baboon, not the grappling ability. I'd rather get bitten by a baboon than a Leopard... Ok A) The humans got weaponry comparable to a leopard which in turn have killed gorilla males B) Humans grapple a LOT better than baboons plus the claws added C) Baboons have been known to tear human arms to the bone with just their jaws when attacking. I'm afraid a baboon or mandrill bite would mess you up a LOT more than a leopard biting you. Alone & without precision big cats have some of the weaker mechanical damaging bites. They may be hard biters but that alone ain't enough to wreck something with a bite like wolves and baboons do. We have one hand with claws, and one with a baboon face attached to it, versus a 350-400 lb male gorilla. We are about to be skinned like a banana. We don't get the agility or killer skill of a leopard just because we have it's claws on one hand. Iv'e seen a 420lb male gorilla in captivity, and I wouldn't want to mess with him with a bazooka! :0 |
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Post by Runic on Aug 2, 2013 4:03:09 GMT 5
Ok A) The humans got weaponry comparable to a leopard which in turn have killed gorilla males B) Humans grapple a LOT better than baboons plus the claws added C) Baboons have been known to tear human arms to the bone with just their jaws when attacking. I'm afraid a baboon or mandrill bite would mess you up a LOT more than a leopard biting you. Alone & without precision big cats have some of the weaker mechanical damaging bites. They may be hard biters but that alone ain't enough to wreck something with a bite like wolves and baboons do. We have one hand with claws, and one with a baboon face attached to it, versus a 350-400 lb male gorilla. We are about to be skinned like a banana. We don't get the agility or killer skill of a leopard just because we have it's claws on one hand. Iv'e seen a 420lb male gorilla in captivity, and I wouldn't want to mess with him with a bazooka! :0 I clearly said ALL Limbs have claws and the skull is a baboons jaws. Why would I say one hand? Matter of fact what you said has me dumbfounded. And actually with claws a humans higher intelligence would outmatch a leopards killer instinct as killing is a learned trait not a inherited one |
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