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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 2, 2019 20:31:55 GMT 5
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Post by 6f5e4d on Dec 2, 2019 20:43:09 GMT 5
Perentie is a much bigger varanid than the lace monitor, the perentie would win this one.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 2, 2019 20:50:15 GMT 5
I lean towards the perentie as well, due to mass advantage. However, the lace monitor seems a good deal more robust, which may help it
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 3:55:29 GMT 5
Going for the lace monitor to take the large majority. Because monitors mainly kill by laceration since they don't have high bite forces. (the bite force of the komodo is the same as a housecat) (1). Anyway, these animals are actually of similar size according to varanoid lizards of the world. (2) (3)(4). The size difference is very negligible but all things being equal the perentie should win. However, all things aren't equal. The lace has teeth twice as large so its capable of heavier lacerations. Its also bulkier, being shorter but of similar weight and a size comparison shows if has a thicker neck. (5)(6) I scaled my comparison by using the max svl lengths of both lizards. I found that their skull size is equal so thus, I scaled the skulls to equal sizes and the lace monitor has teeth twice as large. Because monitors bite and shake their prey, a thicker neck would generate more torque for the lace monitor so it can do more damage. This could be proven in two similar instances where lace monitors and perenties attack snakes. The lace monitor attacks a carpet python which as a general rule give varanids trouble. This python seems a bit incacipated but the lace monitor uses its teeth and neck to bite and shake it, literally breaking its back so it can't constrict it. (7). On the other hand, a perentie gives a mulga snake, which is much more gracile compared to the lace monitor a bite and shake, but it doesn't do much damage to the mulga as the mulga scares of the perentie(8). I highly doubt a perentie could take a healthy mulga especially since the only account of a perentie doing so was when a mulga was digesting a carpet python meaning that the perentie attacked when the mulga was most vulnerable, having just swallowed large prey. I give the lace monitor nearly unanimous odds against a perentie because its more robust and much better armed. I could think of little advantage the perentie could have in this fight. After all if a much smaller mulga could survive a prolonged beating of a perentie without much of a scratch, I'd give the lace good odds to endure the perentie even if it was marginally faster and impale it with those nasty teeth. Its also very interesting to note that lace monitors are the closest relatives of komodos, with komodos even looking like little lace monitors when they are newly hatched. 1. phys.org/news/2011-10-komodo-dragon-pussycat-plenty.html2. ibb.co/P6JbtKK3. ibb.co/N3wdFVm4. Lace Monitor skull: Link www.aussiepythons.com/forum/threads/lace-monitor-xrays-why-you-dont-mess-with-a-lacie. Perentie skull link www.facebook.com/MonashFABLab/photos/a.266903873418652/271305292978510/?type=3&tSkull comparison link ibb.co/Gpkx1tg5. Size comparison where skull comparison is from, scaled to max svl that i posted in 2/3 ibb.co/94LPXD96. ibb.co/GMj8sfL7. www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwKpiUQ7Z4w8.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YlrRwP2OhU |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 5, 2019 4:20:34 GMT 5
@ophiophagushannah, very well structured and thought out post! I am impressed!
At this point I too lean towards the lace monitor. The perentie seems to hold no advantage asides from weight.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 4:35:08 GMT 5
Even in terms of weight, the lace monitor and perentie are pretty much dead even. I've talked to lace monitor breeders both in america and in the austrailia and they feel that the lace monitor should average slightly larger in terms of weight compared to the perentie
I'd say the photo is not a good comparison because it looks to be a young male or female lace up against a large male perentie and even then, they seem to have similar neck girths
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