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Post by denis on Dec 11, 2019 15:57:04 GMT 5
Err what? The whale survived for at least several weeks following that attack… Two weeks only. Encounter with juvenile Meg proved fatal for the whale eventually. Adult Megalodon would have torn this whale apart in a short span. Sheer power of Megalodon make it virtually impractical to find evidence of a prey which managed to escape alive - very high percentage of success much like African wild dogs. We don’t know the whale died. The wound healed. Theropod just said it could’ve died from some unrelated death.
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Post by creature386 on Dec 11, 2019 17:14:50 GMT 5
It didn't heal. It showed signs of healing which means that the wound started healing, but couldn't finish because the whale died too early.
You have clearly neither read the paper nor the post Life linked (http://theworldofanimals.proboards.com/post/48797 ).
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Post by Grey on Dec 11, 2019 18:15:40 GMT 5
There is no clear estimate of TL for this whale but speaking with Godfrey, it seems we're looking at something in the humpback size range at least.
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Post by theropod on Dec 11, 2019 20:27:18 GMT 5
Err what? The whale survived for at least several weeks following that attack… Two weeks only. Encounter with juvenile Meg proved fatal for the whale eventually. Adult Megalodon would have torn this whale apart in a short span. Sheer power of Megalodon make it virtually impractical to find evidence of a prey which managed to escape alive - very high percentage of success much like African wild dogs. No, something between two and six weeks if we want to be exact. We clearly do not know what the whale died of. Wounds get infected all the time, that doesn't always have to result in death. Anyway, if it did die of infection, there is also little relevance to that. Any wound, no matter how insignificant, could result in infection and death. A human could die from an infected housr cat bite, that doesn't speak volumes about house cats' predatory abilities. Far more useful to focus on the actual impressive attributes of that bite, penetrating the skin and blubber of a far larger whale. That it wasn't a fatal bite in and of itself is unsurprising given the size difference, but it is very impressive a 7m shark would try to attack a humpback-sized whale to begin with
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Post by kekistani on Dec 11, 2019 20:53:32 GMT 5
Honestly, I very much doubt it, I have a hard time imagining you having even read the relevant paper. I believed the whale couldn’t die from the shark, it would be unlikely for a juvenile Megalodon to kill a whale much larger than it. And yet the shark still attacked it.
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Post by kekistani on Dec 11, 2019 20:54:49 GMT 5
Two weeks only. Encounter with juvenile Meg proved fatal for the whale eventually. Adult Megalodon would have torn this whale apart in a short span. Sheer power of Megalodon make it virtually impractical to find evidence of a prey which managed to escape alive - very high percentage of success much like African wild dogs. but it is very impressive a 7m shark would try to attack a humpback-sized whale to begin with Which was the point of the post in the first place before it was taken out of context.
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Post by kekistani on Dec 11, 2019 20:55:56 GMT 5
Two weeks only. Encounter with juvenile Meg proved fatal for the whale eventually. Adult Megalodon would have torn this whale apart in a short span. Sheer power of Megalodon make it virtually impractical to find evidence of a prey which managed to escape alive - very high percentage of success much like African wild dogs. We don’t know the whale died. The wound healed. Theropod just said it could’ve died from some unrelated death. We do know the whale died just weeks after the shark attack, to the point that the bone was not fully healed. The link literally states this.
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Post by elosha11 on Dec 11, 2019 22:14:49 GMT 5
Since this thread has gone back and forth in discussions on what size animals Megalodon (or GWS by proxy) can attack when the opportunity arises, I am reposting accounts of great white sharks or other large sharks' documented (or presumed) attacks on large animals such elephant seals, small whales/whale calves, False Killer Whales, pilot whales, whale sharks (possibly). I will note that animals such as FKW and pilot whales likely benefit not only from their size and individual weaponry but also the large pods they inhabit.
This came from the GWS v. SW croc thread in 2018, so you can disregard the references to benko, and just review the underlying data. You can take of it what you will for purposes of this debate. This is largely a post to educate on prey habits of current GWS, and one can postulate as to what that may imply for Megalodon.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 11, 2019 22:53:20 GMT 5
elosha11Might be wrong but wasn't there an account where a tiger shark killed an adult false killer whale around 3 times bigger than it?
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Post by elosha11 on Dec 11, 2019 23:03:57 GMT 5
I'm not aware of any such documented incident.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 22:14:47 GMT 5
I don't think that bites mean that the shark necessarily won. It just means that there was a fight and the shark got beaten back. In fact, shark bites found on large seals and dolphins usually imply that the shark lost the fight as the animals are slower than the shark so they would have fought back in some way and driven the shark away.
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Post by kekistani on Dec 12, 2019 23:11:00 GMT 5
I don't think that bites mean that the shark necessarily won. It just means that there was a fight and the shark got beaten back. In fact, shark bites found on large seals and dolphins usually imply that the shark lost the fight as the animals are slower than the shark so they would have fought back in some way and driven the shark away. THe point isn't who WON the fight, it's what happened in general. The shark tried to attack prey larger than itself.
Also, finding bite marks does not mean the shark necessarily lost the fight-GWS use hit-and-run tactics with prey larger than itself, and finding an injured animal may mean it beat the shark, the shark did not make a good enough attack, or it managed to escape and miraculously survive.
Nevertheless, Shastasaurus is not winning this fight, it doesn't have the defenses to defend against a Meg attack like elephant seals or odontocetes can against GWS. Not to mention the Meg is actually heavier than it, unlike these GWS-Seal/Whale comparisons.
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Post by elosha11 on Dec 13, 2019 6:00:19 GMT 5
I don't think that bites mean that the shark necessarily won. It just means that there was a fight and the shark got beaten back. In fact, shark bites found on large seals and dolphins usually imply that the shark lost the fight as the animals are slower than the shark so they would have fought back in some way and driven the shark away. That's a bit of an overbroad and odd statement. Without any other evidence, would you consider the guy with the busted up face the victor in a fight? Or would you consider his injuries a sign that more than likely he got the worst of it? Please note that quite a number of the targeted animals I posted WERE killed, including enormous,up to 2700 kgs elephant seals. The sharks that attacked these various animals may or may not have been larger than the targeted prey item. We don't know for sure what happened in all these instances, but since we've found five or so shark bite marks on FKW's, for instance, and never had any occasion known of FKW's attacking a large shark, are we to presuppose that the shark is LESS likely to be the aggressor and/or victor in a one on one struggle (with no aid from other pod members). As a side note, those who say FKW's are larger than GWS are not accurate, the shark is a bit larger and bulkier at maximum sizes. Records of killing beluga whales, small to medium sized beaked whales, whale calves, all speak for themselves. And it's commonly known that GWS readily prey on any dolphin species, up to including large bottlenose, and at least circumstantial evidence of possible FKW and pilot whale predation. Only the vastly larger orcas appear to be entirely off limits. I also feel you are discounting the pod/pack behavior of both cetaceans and pinnipeds. It may be that even if a shark is driven off, (and there's no documented evidence this even occurs) it is more in fear of being attacked by multiple opponents. For instance if a shark injures a FKW but then is attacked by 2 other FKW's and leaves the scene, would you say the injured FKW "won" the conflict?
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Post by denis on Dec 13, 2019 8:03:50 GMT 5
I don't think that bites mean that the shark necessarily won. It just means that there was a fight and the shark got beaten back. In fact, shark bites found on large seals and dolphins usually imply that the shark lost the fight as the animals are slower than the shark so they would have fought back in some way and driven the shark away. That's a bit of an overbroad and odd statement. Without any other evidence, would you consider the guy with the busted up face the victor in a fight? Or would you consider his injuries a sign that more than likely he got the worst of it? Please note that quite a number of the targeted animals I posted WERE killed, including enormous,up to 2700 kgs elephant seals. The sharks that attacked these various animals may or may not have been larger than the targeted prey item. We don't know for sure what happened in all these instances, but since we've found five or so shark bite marks on FKW's, for instance, and never had any occasion known of FKW's attacking a large shark, are we to presuppose that the shark is LESS likely to be the aggressor and/or victor in a one on one struggle (with no aid from other pod members). As a side note, those who say FKW's are larger than GWS are not accurate, the shark is a bit larger and bulkier at maximum sizes. Records of killing beluga whales, small to medium sized beaked whales, whale calves, all speak for themselves. And it's commonly known that GWS readily prey on any dolphin species, up to including large bottlenose, and at least circumstantial evidence of possible FKW and pilot whale predation. Only the vastly larger orcas appear to be entirely off limits. I also feel you are discounting the pod/pack behavior of both cetaceans and pinnipeds. It may be that even if a shark is driven off, (and there's no documented evidence this even occurs) it is more in fear of being attacked by multiple opponents. For instance if a shark injures a FKW but then is attacked by 2 other FKW's and leaves the scene, would you say the injured FKW "won" the conflict? I’m just telling you is that yes 30-50 tons is the most accepted weight for Megalodon.
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Post by Infinity Blade on Dec 13, 2019 9:12:31 GMT 5
Couldn’t you have at least said this when responding to, you know, a post that actually focuses on C. megalodon’s mass?
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