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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 10, 2019 17:57:37 GMT 5
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Post by 6f5e4d on Dec 12, 2019 10:44:52 GMT 5
I'd give this fight to the dorado, it's larger than the snakehead and likely still has those jaws.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 11:51:41 GMT 5
Mismatch, dorados have been recorded bullying goliath tigerfish (their size) and mutilating anjumara (giant wolffish) in aquariums. I think the weakest freshwater bonyfish that can beat them is a full grown goliath tigerfish and even then, the tigerfish isn't taking more than 7/10 despite the size advantage.
Dorado is just too fast and agile and it has these slicing jaws. Its basically a freshwater barracuda but a lot more agile. They naturally live in fast flowing rapids, so not many fish can match their swimming ability.
90 pound tigerfish vs 70 pound dorado. Dorado may actually win.
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Post by kekistani on Dec 12, 2019 12:48:47 GMT 5
Mismatch, dorados have been recorded bullying goliath tigerfish (their size) and mutilating anjumara (giant wolffish) in aquariums. I think the weakest freshwater bonyfish that can beat them is a full grown goliath tigerfish and even then, the tigerfish isn't taking more than 7/10 despite the size advantage. Dorado is just too fast and agile and it has these slicing jaws. Its basically a freshwater barracuda but a lot more agile. They naturally live in fast flowing rapids, so not many fish can match their swimming ability. 90 pound tigerfish vs 70 pound dorado. Dorado may actually win. Yeah, a Barracuda with sharp bolt crushers wielded by a strongman strapped to the front. Snakehead doesn't stand a chance. |
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Post by kekistani on Dec 12, 2019 12:49:45 GMT 5
Wait, why is this sympatric? The 2 come from different continents and AFAIK Giant Snakeheads have not been introduced to SA, and vice versa to asia for the dorado.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 12, 2019 14:16:43 GMT 5
Wait, why is this sympatric? The 2 come from different continents and AFAIK Giant Snakeheads have not been introduced to SA, and vice versa to asia for the dorado. I heard snakeheads have made their way to the Americas, so I put this here. Edit: reading CR's post, yes this is a mismatch. Snakehead seems to be badly outclassed in weapons, durabiliity, and feistiness. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 20:37:37 GMT 5
The only freshwater fish that can match a dorado is a goliath tigerfish. Even though gatf max out at 110 and dorado max out at 75, both are usually much smaller than their maximum weights with the tigerfish averaging between 5-15 and the dorado averaging between 10-20. Even though average weights is a mismatch, and the tigerfish is too big at max weights, if we can artificially set a weight so that the goliath tigerfish is 10-25% larger, then we might have a fight.
Another hypothetical matchup is with the great barracuda. I'd favor a dorado at parity because I'm not sure of any advantage the barracuda has because they are equally good swimmers and the dorado has better flexibility.
Gatf and guinean barracuda will be a good match as guinean barracuda get even larger than great barracuda and are sympatric to goliath tigerfish in some estuaries.
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Post by kekistani on Dec 12, 2019 20:46:07 GMT 5
Wait, why is this sympatric? The 2 come from different continents and AFAIK Giant Snakeheads have not been introduced to SA, and vice versa to asia for the dorado. I heard snakeheads have made their way to the Americas, so I put this here. Edit: reading CR's post, yes this is a mismatch. Snakehead seems to be badly outclassed in weapons, durabiliity, and feistiness. Northern Snakeheads (Not the giant) are now found in n orth america. No records exist from SA IIRC |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 21:07:06 GMT 5
I heard snakeheads have made their way to the Americas, so I put this here. Edit: reading CR's post, yes this is a mismatch. Snakehead seems to be badly outclassed in weapons, durabiliity, and feistiness. Northern Snakeheads (Not the giant) are now found in n orth america. No records exist from SA IIRC The only sympatric fish that is remotely close are the payara and catfish (red tail and piraiba). Piraiba get to over 300 pounds so its a mismatch, redtail catfish get to 120 pounds making it also a mismatch unless we artificially set the weights so that the redtail only has a 15-25% advantage, payara get to 40 pounds, but they get smaller than dorado, are less manueverable, and even though they have long teeth, their bites are to trap smaller fish not to impale large ones so the dorado has a weaponry advantage as well. We can also use otters, I think a giant otter may be too much, but a neotropical otter will beat the average dorado and lose to the monster one since it only gets to 33 lbs. All in all, there's no good sympatric matchup for a dorado all animals are either outclassed or dominated. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 12, 2019 21:40:22 GMT 5
Wouldn't a red tail catfish need more mass advantage than just 15-25? They do have big mouths but that's pretty much it, and they don't rank favorably for durability. In any case, I'll get to moving this soon.
Maybe a spectacled caiman would work? AFAIK they are 23 kg, about the same as the dorado's 22. Should be a good match.
How large are giant/neotropical otters? I'd probably favor the dorado over them at parity
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 21:44:21 GMT 5
uhh giant otters eat them up, they get to 75 pounds, same size as dorado, but they are a lot more agile and have nasty chompers of their own. Giant otters can take out caiman and full grown arapaima. Neotropical otters get to 33 pounds, their cousins the american otters can kill snapping turtles. I think they will win.
The max dorado gets to 75, but most are around 20-30 pounds.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 12, 2019 22:02:28 GMT 5
Do they?
Then yes, that's not a fair fight.
Regarding payara, are they semisocial? I think I read that somewhere and if it's true, a shoal may make for a good match
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 22:07:28 GMT 5
Small payara are semisocial, but so are dorados. In fact, dorados hunt like barracuda, where a group of them will corral a school of fish together. The large Armatus payara which are the ones I am talking about are pretty solitary to my knowledge. Aquarists have usually stated that they are very aggressive to each other. To my knowledge no payara actually hunts cooperatively as opposed to dorados. Pirahna are actually found in dorado's range and may make a good matchup www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSqbqDhDYZoA pack of dorado attack a school of brycon and pirahnas scavenge the leftovers. Dorados are to pirahna what lions are to hyenas. |
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