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Post by Ceratodromeus on Jan 17, 2020 5:30:11 GMT 5
There are a small handful of accounts regarding individual nile crocodile predation of rhinoceros, that is probably a much better starting point than talking about zebra.
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Post by kekistani on Jan 17, 2020 5:51:36 GMT 5
It actually would be if there's no mass of excess skin like on modern elephants. If there was excess skin, the crocodiles would not be able to do sufficient damage quickly enough by biting that.
AN elephant cannot be compared to a Zebra. Elephants are far more durable, the crocodiles would wear themselves out trying to actually damage it.
The lack of excess skin actually HELPS the crocs. Any damage they do is going to go deeper. As for the zebra, you are correct that zebras=/=elephants. But my point was that crocs can cause severe damage quickly. It actually doesn't, as the excess skin would be the only place where the crocs could get a good foothold with their teeth.
They can cause severe damage to prey smaller than them with no armor or defenses aside from hooves. They will not be able to cause severe damage quickly to the elephant.
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Post by kekistani on Jan 17, 2020 5:55:07 GMT 5
There are a small handful of accounts regarding individual nile crocodile predation of rhinoceros, that is probably a much better starting point than talking about zebra. Can you provide one? Nothing comes up on google apart from baby rhinos being eaten. |
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Jan 17, 2020 6:06:07 GMT 5
There are a small handful of accounts regarding individual nile crocodile predation of rhinoceros, that is probably a much better starting point than talking about zebra. Can you provide one? Nothing comes up on google apart from baby rhinos being eaten.   |
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Post by kekistani on Jan 17, 2020 6:11:02 GMT 5
Can you provide one? Nothing comes up on google apart from baby rhinos being eaten. So it appears that: 1. Rhino is ambushed as it exits the water. 2. Rhino and Croc make no headway.
3. More crocodiles appear, Rhino begins to really struggle. 4. Rhino and Crocodiles slowly move downstream. 5. Rhino makes a desperate attempt to run for it. Without any foothold it gets pulled under.
Are there any notes in the book on how large exactly this Rhino was? What species?
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Post by Infinity Blade on Jan 17, 2020 6:12:49 GMT 5
^It looks like he edited his post before you made yours.
Anyway, his second screenshot says it was a full grown female.
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Jan 17, 2020 6:16:47 GMT 5
Yeah sorry my internet is being super laggy.
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Post by kekistani on Jan 17, 2020 6:20:27 GMT 5
Yeah sorry my internet is being super laggy. NW
Where was this incident? Perhaps we can garner what species it was.
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Jan 17, 2020 6:23:37 GMT 5
The Tana river in Kenya, i am not sure on rhinoceros distribution myself.
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Post by kekistani on Jan 17, 2020 6:29:27 GMT 5
The Tana river in Kenya, i am not sure on rhinoceros distribution myself. I'd wager a Probability (no guarantee) that it was a Black Rhinoceros then. Black Rhinos are more numerous than the whites. So maximum 900KG if it is a black rhino. The horn does match the profile. |
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Jan 17, 2020 6:34:01 GMT 5
A solid a guess as any.
I would prefer using the accounts of large herbivores predation by crocodiles as a basis for anything here, the zebra aspect that was brought in is not very convincing, and for me, this is probably more going to be a war of attrition opposed to "damage" as far as the crocodiles go.
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Post by Infinity Blade on Jan 17, 2020 7:19:55 GMT 5
I'm really impressed by how these crocodiles apparently made the rhino bleed and even tore off some flesh, especially given how crocodilian teeth are sometimes thought of as relatively blunt.
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Post by kekistani on Jan 17, 2020 8:15:04 GMT 5
I'm really impressed by how these crocodiles apparently made the rhino bleed and even tore off some flesh, especially given how crocodilian teeth are sometimes thought of as relatively blunt. Chew on something long enough and (I hope) something is going to come off. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jan 17, 2020 21:47:40 GMT 5
The lack of excess skin actually HELPS the crocs. Any damage they do is going to go deeper. As for the zebra, you are correct that zebras=/=elephants. But my point was that crocs can cause severe damage quickly. It actually doesn't, as the excess skin would be the only place where the crocs could get a good foothold with their teeth.
They can cause severe damage to prey smaller than them with no armor or defenses aside from hooves. They will not be able to cause severe damage quickly to the elephant.
They do have enough reach to get to the flanks, and when one creates a wound the others can attack there too. Not to mention, we've seen what they can do to rhinos |
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Post by kekistani on Jan 18, 2020 0:54:46 GMT 5
It actually doesn't, as the excess skin would be the only place where the crocs could get a good foothold with their teeth.
They can cause severe damage to prey smaller than them with no armor or defenses aside from hooves. They will not be able to cause severe damage quickly to the elephant.
They do have enough reach to get to the flanks, and when one creates a wound the others can attack there too. Not to mention, we've seen what they can do to rhinos Yes, but the main issue will be hanging on to the flanks and causing a significant wound.
While the killing of the Rhino is impressive, the elephant is much heavier, more intelligent, and is physically larger. It stands a better chance.
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