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Post by dinosauria101 on Jan 14, 2020 17:59:17 GMT 5
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Post by 6f5e4d on Jan 15, 2020 10:53:42 GMT 5
The elephant may be bigger, but the combined weight of the crocodiles, in tandem with their powerful jaws, will ensure that the float is victorious.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jan 15, 2020 13:24:45 GMT 5
I agree with that - the numbers of the crocodiles will be a big help here.
They can mob the elephant and get in as many bites as possible, and if one can, say, bite off the trunk, even better
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Post by kekistani on Jan 15, 2020 13:34:37 GMT 5
bite off the trunk, even better Was going to agree with this until I found several videos where Crocodiles attacked the Elephant's trunk and failed to do any meaningful damage. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jan 15, 2020 17:53:45 GMT 5
bite off the trunk, even better Was going to agree with this until I found several videos where Crocodiles attacked the Elephant's trunk and failed to do any meaningful damage. Yes, you are correct. While it may hurt, elephants are faaaaaaaaar too large for any croc to take off the trunk with 1 bite. However, here, there are 5 crocs, and multiple bites at the trunk would probably tear off or at least severely damage it. |
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Post by kekistani on Jan 15, 2020 20:53:43 GMT 5
Was going to agree with this until I found several videos where Crocodiles attacked the Elephant's trunk and failed to do any meaningful damage. Yes, you are correct. While it may hurt, elephants are faaaaaaaaar too large for any croc to take off the trunk with 1 bite. However, here, there are 5 crocs, and multiple bites at the trunk would probably tear off or at least severely damage it. Which would place multiple crocodiles in the right place for the elephant to attack them. |
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Post by kekistani on Jan 15, 2020 21:17:33 GMT 5
Even a young African elephant's trunk survives a ferocious crocodile bite: 1:33
And given the fact that the trunk is only so long, multiple Crocodiles would not be able to bite onto it, expecially given that the elephant can and will charge them if they're in front of him.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jan 15, 2020 22:04:20 GMT 5
Ah, so I see.
Even if it would be difficult for them to attack the trunk, they have been known to seriously maim zebras. I think, with a little coordination and teamwork among themselves. they can probably maim the elephant's flanks or legs.
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Post by kekistani on Jan 16, 2020 1:06:49 GMT 5
Ah, so I see. Even if it would be difficult for them to attack the trunk, they have been known to seriously maim zebras. I think, with a little coordination and teamwork among themselves. they can probably maim the elephant's flanks or legs. I doubt it- The elephant is going to be freaking out and running around, biting the legs is basically a guarantee of getting dragged around and potentially getting crushed. Not to mention elephants have loose skin on their legs and flanks that makes effectively maiming their extremities difficult. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jan 16, 2020 2:19:00 GMT 5
Elephants do have thick and loose skin, but the damage from the bites of the crocodiles will accumulate. All the Crocs need to do is wear down the elephant and try to cause damage, bite by bite
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Post by kekistani on Jan 16, 2020 5:55:32 GMT 5
Elephants do have thick and loose skin, but the damage from the bites of the crocodiles will accumulate. All the Crocs need to do is wear down the elephant and try to cause damage, bite by bite Provided the Elephant doesn't kill them or go onto land where it will have the advantage (unless this is already on land, then the elephant just stomps them and wins). Trying to cause damage does not necessarily mean they actually will succeed. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jan 16, 2020 15:52:29 GMT 5
I mean yes, just simply biting randomly won't work well as crocs have crushing bites - good on bone, less so on soft tissue.
Having said that. none of those videos seem to have a deathroll. If the crocs can deathroll this would be mitigated
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Post by kekistani on Jan 16, 2020 20:51:55 GMT 5
I mean yes, just simply biting randomly won't work well as crocs have crushing bites - good on bone, less so on soft tissue. Having said that. none of those videos seem to have a deathroll. If the crocs can deathroll this would be mitigated Mainly because the crocodiles realized that attacking a multi-ton prey item is a bad idea and that death rolling would just piss it off more. Since we use animal behavior in fights (See Liaoningsaurus vs RBP) the crocodile is going to let go and turn tail like it did in the videos with african elephants. A crocodile attacking the Elephant's trunk and not letting go will end up getting itself trampled, rammed, gored, or beaten. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jan 16, 2020 21:04:23 GMT 5
I mean yes, just simply biting randomly won't work well as crocs have crushing bites - good on bone, less so on soft tissue. Having said that. none of those videos seem to have a deathroll. If the crocs can deathroll this would be mitigated Mainly because the crocodiles realized that attacking a multi-ton prey item is a bad idea and that death rolling would just piss it off more. Since we use animal behavior in fights (See Liaoningsaurus vs RBP) the crocodile is going to let go and turn tail like it did in the videos with african elephants. A crocodile attacking the Elephant's trunk and not letting go will end up getting itself trampled, rammed, gored, or beaten. You have a point that yes, most times in a NATURAL ENCOUNTER a predator such as a crocodile would quickly back off from a prey animal if it couldn't finish it w/o risk of injury. However, this is an all-out death fight where both sides keep going no matter the cost. Reckless enough attacks would cause serious damage to the elephant, even though there may be some casualties. |
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Post by kekistani on Jan 16, 2020 21:26:48 GMT 5
Mainly because the crocodiles realized that attacking a multi-ton prey item is a bad idea and that death rolling would just piss it off more. Since we use animal behavior in fights (See Liaoningsaurus vs RBP) the crocodile is going to let go and turn tail like it did in the videos with african elephants. A crocodile attacking the Elephant's trunk and not letting go will end up getting itself trampled, rammed, gored, or beaten. You have a point that yes, most times in a NATURAL ENCOUNTER a predator such as a crocodile would quickly back off from a prey animal if it couldn't finish it w/o risk of injury. However, this is an all-out death fight where both sides keep going no matter the cost. Reckless enough attacks would cause serious damage to the elephant, even though there may be some casualties. If this is an all out death fight,the elephant is going to stomp the reptiles. I still don't see why we use natural behavior in other hypothetical battles (Piranha vs Liaoningsaurus, where it was stated the piranha would be shy due to being alone) so I see no reason not to use natural behavior here. The crocodile isn't going to deathroll the elephant's trunk+The elephant is much larger, more intelligent, and far more powerful. The crocodiles really don't stand much of a chance against a foe this large. |
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