American Mastodon vs. Carcharodontosaurus saharicus

[dinosauria101]

American Mastodon - Mammut americanum

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Order: Proboscidea
Family: Mammutidae
Height: 2.3 to 3.25 meters
Mass: Average of 6.8 to 9.2 tonnes for males; very large individual ~11 tonnes known (Larramendi, 2016)
Diet: Plants
Age and Location: 11,000 years ago, Pleistocene epoch, the Americas
Killing apparatus: Tusks
More heavily muscled relative to its size than mammoths or elephants. Known to have been hunted by Clovis people for food.

Carcharodontosaurus saharicus

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Order: Theropoda
Family: Carcharodontosauridae
Length: 13.23 meters
Mass: 9 tonnes
Age and Location: Middle Cretaceous period, 95 million years ago, North Africa
Killing apparatus: Slicing jaws, manual claws, pedal claws (based on relatives)
Potentially the largest known meat eating dinosaur. Named because its teeth were serrated like those of sharks.

denis, here's to you!

[kekistani]

Big carnivorous dinosaur designed for hunting 20 ton sauropods vs big quadruped. HMMMMM. I wonder who will win.

[dinosauria101]

Well, I wouldn't call this a slaughter or anything - the mastodon can for sure put up a fight and isn't incapable of winning.

That said, I agree the carnosaur wins here. Good reach and weaponry; a bite to the face or trunk would be extremely lethal and devastating.

[kekistani]

Jan 21, 2020 1:25:27 GMT 5 dinosauria101 said:

 a bite to the face or trunk would be extremely lethal and devastating.

Actually no. Elephants have lost their trunks and survived.

[dinosauria101]

Jan 21, 2020 1:37:25 GMT 5 kekistani said:

Jan 21, 2020 1:25:27 GMT 5 dinosauria101 said:

 a bite to the face or trunk would be extremely lethal and devastating.

Actually no. Elephants have lost their trunks and survived.

They have - it's unfortunately due to poacher snares. 
What I actually meant is that it would cause a lot of damage and pain very quickly as well as cause respiratory issues.

[kekistani]

Jan 21, 2020 1:46:54 GMT 5 dinosauria101 said:

Jan 21, 2020 1:37:25 GMT 5 kekistani said:

Actually no. Elephants have lost their trunks and survived.

They have - it's unfortunately due to poacher snares. 
What I actually meant is that it would cause a lot of damage and pain very quickly as well as cause respiratory issues.

Elephants have had their trunks torn off and survived the interaction. Tearing off the trunk will hurt, but there's no reason to think that will be the end of the fight.

[dinosauria101]

Jan 21, 2020 2:06:58 GMT 5 kekistani said:

Jan 21, 2020 1:46:54 GMT 5 dinosauria101 said:

They have - it's unfortunately due to poacher snares. 
What I actually meant is that it would cause a lot of damage and pain very quickly as well as cause respiratory issues.

Elephants have had their trunks torn off and survived the interaction. Tearing off the trunk will hurt, but there's no reason to think that will be the end of the fight.

No, it wouldn't be the end of the fight. You are correct.
However, it would certainly turn the fight in the dinosaurs' favor by a rather large margin, as the mastodon will then have to deal with blood loss, pain, and breathing problems

[kekistani]

Jan 21, 2020 2:13:59 GMT 5 dinosauria101 said:

Jan 21, 2020 2:06:58 GMT 5 kekistani said:

Elephants have had their trunks torn off and survived the interaction. Tearing off the trunk will hurt, but there's no reason to think that will be the end of the fight.

No, it wouldn't be the end of the fight. You are correct.
However, it would certainly turn the fight in the dinosaurs' favor by a rather large margin, as the mastodon will then have to deal with blood loss, pain, and breathing problems

Tru tru

The post mainly addressed your usage of "lethal damage"

[dinosauria101]

Jan 21, 2020 2:34:45 GMT 5 kekistani said:

Jan 21, 2020 2:13:59 GMT 5 dinosauria101 said:

No, it wouldn't be the end of the fight. You are correct.
However, it would certainly turn the fight in the dinosaurs' favor by a rather large margin, as the mastodon will then have to deal with blood loss, pain, and breathing problems

Tru tru

The post mainly addressed your usage of "lethal damage"

Well, yes. Maybe I ought to watch the wording.

Anyhow, for those who might need it, here's a size chart of SGM-DIN 1 (12.95 meters standing length, 9 tonnes) vs AMNH 9950 and 595BS71 (289 and 325 cm shoulder height and 7.8 and 11 tonnes, respectively). Scalebar is 1 meter, skeletals are by Asier Larramendi and SpinoInWonderland

[kekistani]

Jan 21, 2020 2:48:03 GMT 5 dinosauria101 said:

Jan 21, 2020 2:34:45 GMT 5 kekistani said:

Tru tru

The post mainly addressed your usage of "lethal damage"

Well, yes. Maybe I ought to watch the wording.

Anyhow, for those who might need it, here's a size chart of SGM-DIN 1 (12.95 meters standing length, 9 tonnes) vs AMNH 9950 and 595BS71 (289 and 325 cm shoulder height and 7.8 and 11 tonnes, respectively). Scalebar is 1 meter, skeletals are by Asier Larramendi and SpinoInWonderland

Wait, that mammut is 11 tons? Must be very heavily built.

[dinosauria101]

^You are correct, they are some of the more robust elephantids.

[6f5e4d]

Carcharodontosaurus admittedly may be around a similar weight to the mastodon, but its teeth and claws are still better in a fight.