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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 2, 2020 1:03:02 GMT 5
In your opinion, what kinds of cryptids are most likely to be entirely new, undescribed animal species? Discuss.
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Post by kekistani on Feb 2, 2020 7:41:18 GMT 5
The Papuan Devil Pig may be a surviving known species of diprotodont or a hitherto unknown species. Paleontology in PNG is so limited both are on the table. Alternatively, it may be a new suid. Ropen I believe to be a large piscivorous bat (probably misidentification and purposeful misconstruing aside, as well as those weird lights people decide to associate with them). Iemisch appears to be an undescribed otter the size of a large jaguar or caiman. Also probably extinct. All of the weird fish seen by William Beebe that were never described. Mokele Mbembe and the other Congo dragons I believe to be new monitor lizards or previously unknown rhinoceros species. The Lau is a giant catfish, as per Huevelmans. Mono Grande, the giant "South American Ape"(which was surprisngly considered synonymous with Mapinguary and other surviving sloths for some time) is actually a giant spider monkey or a giant relative of the Uakari. Fotsiaondre, also known as Habeby, is/was a previously undescribed Megaladapid lemur that inhabited the Isaola Massif range. Probably extinct, though the potential rediscovery of the Malagasy dwarf hippo gives us a glimmer of hope for other extinct madagascan megafauna to be still extant. The "sea blob" is a gigantic deep-sea jellyfish. Waitoreke is/was a relict New Zealand mammal.
Cherufe is/was a large tegu that lived in the ashfields of chile.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 2, 2020 19:33:10 GMT 5
Interesting choices! I will have to look some of those up
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Post by smedz on Feb 2, 2020 19:56:32 GMT 5
The Orang Pendek of Sumatra I think would be a new type of ape.
Some will say they're late surviving homo floresisensis, but these cryptids sound to be solitary which is not something you see in humans.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 2, 2020 20:38:13 GMT 5
Maybe it's a new orangutan species? I heard a 3rd orangutan species was found in 2018, so maybe it could be a 4th?
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Post by kekistani on Feb 3, 2020 0:47:32 GMT 5
Maybe it's a new orangutan species? I heard a 3rd orangutan species was found in 2018, so maybe it could be a 4th? Would be a very strange orangutan then-bipedal, humanlike proportions, humanoid face, etc. It's much more likely some strange hominid. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 3, 2020 1:37:26 GMT 5
Maybe it's a new orangutan species? I heard a 3rd orangutan species was found in 2018, so maybe it could be a 4th? Would be a very strange orangutan then-bipedal, humanlike proportions, humanoid face, etc. It's much more likely some strange hominid. That's possible too. Dutch explorers ran into H. florensis, so there could be more hominids of some sort. |
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Post by Infinity Blade on Feb 3, 2020 2:15:13 GMT 5
Please don't tell me you're saying Dutch explorers ran into living Homo floresiensis.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 3, 2020 2:17:10 GMT 5
Umm, you're referring to their fossils, right? I'm referring to the actual people. I'll see if I can dig anything up directly, but I had read about it in a BBC book as well as maybe Animalia's ruins. |
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Post by Infinity Blade on Feb 3, 2020 2:38:52 GMT 5
The closest thing to your claim I could find was this: " How long H. floresiensis persisted, or whether the species ever came face to face with H. sapiens , as did Neanderthals in Europe, is unknown, but local folktales suggest that little people were living in caves on some Indonesian islands when the first Dutch explorers arrived in the 16th century." www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/30-little-people-make-big-splashThere's an extant human (read: Homo sapiens) pygmy population that actually lives not too far from the cave in which H. floresiensis fossils were found. However, these people don't show evidence of admixture with anything other than Neanderthals and Denisovans, and interestingly seem to have evolved their small size independently ( Tucci et al., 2018). Even if Dutch explorers encountered a population of abnormally small people back in the day, they could easily have been pygmy H. sapiens like the present day population. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 3, 2020 2:46:01 GMT 5
Oh, that explains a lot.
Maybe BBC had the 2 mixed up.
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Feb 3, 2020 2:46:49 GMT 5
Nothing like that was ever put on my forum.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 3, 2020 2:48:36 GMT 5
Nothing like that was ever put on my forum. That's why I said maybe. You'd know better than I would; maybe I just mixed it up with something else. |
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Post by kekistani on Feb 3, 2020 3:18:52 GMT 5
The closest thing to your claim I could find was this: " How long H. floresiensis persisted, or whether the species ever came face to face with H. sapiens , as did Neanderthals in Europe, is unknown, but local folktales suggest that little people were living in caves on some Indonesian islands when the first Dutch explorers arrived in the 16th century." www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/30-little-people-make-big-splashThere's an extant human (read: Homo sapiens) pygmy population that actually lives not too far from the cave in which H. floresiensis fossils were found. However, these people don't show evidence of admixture with anything other than Neanderthals and Denisovans, and interestingly seem to have evolved their small size independently ( Tucci et al., 2018). Even if Dutch explorers encountered a population of abnormally small people back in the day, they could easily have been pygmy H. sapiens like the present day population. Well, we know it is possible that H. Sapiens did encounter H. Floresiensis, as evidenced by Ebu Gogo and the disappearance of other human species and megafauna. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 3, 2020 3:25:07 GMT 5
^Yes, that's what the book referred to. Ebu Gogo.
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