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Post by dinosauria101 on Mar 18, 2020 23:06:11 GMT 5
Cretan Dwarf Mammoth - Mammuthus creticus  prehistoric-fauna.com/image/cache/data/Mammuthus-creticus-738x591.jpgOrder: Proboscidea Family: Elephantidae Height: 1 meter Mass: 180 kg ( Larramendi, 2015) Age and Location: 500,000 years ago, Pleistocene epoch, Crete Diet: Plants Weapons: Tusks One of the smallest proboscideans. Thought to descend from larger species on the mainland. Deinonychus antirrhopus (pack of 3)  planetdi.startlogic.com/dinosaur_list/images/deinonychus_pack.jpgOrder: Theropoda Family: Dromaeosauridae Length: 3.4 meters Mass: 80 kg Age and Location: 125 million years ago, Early Cretaceous period, United States Diet: Other dinosaurs Weapons: Raptorial jaws, manual and pedal claws One of the most famous of dromaeosaurs. Its fossils gave rise to the theory of pack hunting dinosaurs. |
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Post by 6f5e4d on Mar 19, 2020 6:41:15 GMT 5
Even a dwarf mammoth such as this is easily larger than a single Deinonychus, and it is indeed larger than the whole pack here. But Deinonychus can easily kill things several times bigger in packs, and with their claws against the mammoth's tusks, the pack would win.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Mar 19, 2020 14:18:54 GMT 5
I'd favor the 3 Deinonychus here too. They're more numerous and agile, and can win via 'hack n' slash' tactics, or wearing the mammoth down.
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Post by 6f5e4d on Mar 19, 2020 23:58:19 GMT 5
Even with that thick fur, those scales and feathers are gonna be tough to get through, and the tusks aren't exactly the best weapon here.
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Post by kekistani on Mar 20, 2020 2:39:50 GMT 5
Even with that thick fur, those scales and feathers are gonna be tough to get through, and the tusks aren't exactly the best weapon here. If the mammoth was defending itself it would not try to pierce the feathers of the raptor (though it definitely could with ease, feathers aren't very good protection unless they're extremely thick) but try to dash them with its tusks and stomp them underfoot. |
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Post by Infinity Blade on Mar 20, 2020 3:07:17 GMT 5
I doubt either party was equipped with anything more than average bodily protection for an animal.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Mar 20, 2020 3:47:18 GMT 5
^Yeah, don't think either party has any kind of armor at all here
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Post by 6f5e4d on Mar 20, 2020 19:29:49 GMT 5
Oh, fair enough. Also the trunk probably won't help in this fight.
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Post by all on May 30, 2020 22:18:29 GMT 5
Despite Dwarf Mammoths power and weight. Deinonychus would surround him much like wolves surround animals larger than themselves. In my opinion it depends in large portion how hungry the dinosaurs would be. And how much would they be willing to risk. They would attack from all sides much like wolves but even more dangerous because they have huge claws that can deliver lots of damage. Some wolves can bring down bison if they hunt in a pack. Now there is usually more than three wolves in a pack but
dwarf mammoth is lot smaller than bison plus deinonychus is more dangerous than a wolf and probably more aggressive.Only real chance that mammoth would have is because of one factor he would be fighting for his life while dinosaurs would be fighting for their dinner. so mammoth has more to lose but that is the only edge it has. if dinosaurs would be hungry enough. They would simply surround the mammoth attack with hit and run tactics and wear it down. Or if they were lucky they would force it to flee and wear him down that way. If mammoth would not realize quickly enough that it has to stand and fight it would lose its energy and be easily dispatched by them.
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Post by Infinity Blade on May 30, 2020 23:50:36 GMT 5
So...clearly this matchup isn't going to involve a coordinated pack of Deinonychus. However, if I imagine all Deinonychus attacking the mammoth at once (jumping on it, holding on with the massive sickle claws and stability flapping, and just biting away at the mammoth, supplementing the damage via raking with the manual claws and sinking the digit II pedal claws in further as the prey struggles*), but minding their own business without coordinating with the others**, then I might actually still see the dromaeosaurids winning. Worst case realistic scenario is that the Deinonychus would be alone (and that it didn't even perform mobbing behavior). And while I think an adult Deinonychus would be hypothetically large and well armed enough to hunt a 180 kg dwarf mammoth, I somehow doubt it would win more often than not in a fight. Especially since, unlike most mammoths, this species has tusks that seem effective for goring ( link->). I do believe that a mobbing, uncoordinated group of Deinonychus is going to fare better against a single large opponent (like this dwarf mammoth) than another pack of truly cooperative predators (e.g. a pack of wolves or hyenas) btw. *This is how I imagine a dromaeosaurid might tackle prey larger than itself. It's basically prey-riding, which I remember being called an extension of RPR by Fowler et al.**That's how predatory mobbing works, right? |
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Post by all on May 31, 2020 0:55:27 GMT 5
I'm not sure what you are saying. When I said cooperative hunting I simply meant working together well. I made comparison to wolves because if pack of wolves can put down animal as large as bison. Smaller pack of Deinonychus which are better armed and probably more aggressive than wolves could take down animal size of dwarf mammoth which is much smaller than the bison. As far as them working as a mob in a discoordinated attack. just because they act like a mob does not mean their attack would be discoordinated yes they would attack all at once but they would try to come from the side that is most exposed. And I do think it is not that much of the stretch to say that one of those dinosaurs would come from the front to force the mammoth towards it while the two others attack from the rear or the side. if they do not see an opening I think it makes sense that they would nip at the heels when they would see even slightest opening they would attack very violently together and as one of them would probably try to get on top of the mammoth and dip its claws and its teeth into mammoths neck. while the other would be attacking mammoths extremities. and the third one would by pass the tusks as fast as he could and attack from the other side. (at least this makes sense to me) But of course you are right in saying all this would happen simultaneously and yes at this point the deinonychus would not beck off at any time until they would tear mammoth to pieces and make a meal out of it
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Post by Infinity Blade on May 31, 2020 17:00:24 GMT 5
My post was aimed at the thread in general, not you.
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Post by all on May 31, 2020 18:20:07 GMT 5
oh sorry
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