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Post by Vodmeister on Feb 26, 2014 20:14:12 GMT 5
Most of you have probably seen this video, but nevertheless;
Now take into consideration that Tigress are typically smaller than male Lions, and that 14 foot is a very respectable size for a crocodile - I would back the Lion in this face-off, at least on land.
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Post by Runic on Feb 27, 2014 6:15:04 GMT 5
I already know on land kitty wins (that vid was epic btw) but in any watery environment my moneys on the croc.
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Post by Infinity Blade on Feb 27, 2014 7:19:32 GMT 5
I think the archosaur would put up a pretty reasonable fight on land but lose. Shallow water, I'm not completely sure as to what will happen, I think the crocodile would most likely have an edge. In deep water, the "fight" would be nothing more than a one-sided mauling.
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Post by blaze on Feb 27, 2014 12:26:53 GMT 5
14ft(4.3m) croc? I doubt that, the body length of the tiger and the crocodile was similar, pay attention between the 38 and 40 seconds mark. American alligators males of that length can approach half a tonne (Woodward et al., 1995) and in Erickson et al. (2012) tables we see a 15ft saltwater crocodile weighting 530kg. I can't see how an animal of that weight can have a torso only comparable to a female tiger, that only weights a couple of tens over 100kg on average. It's probably 10-11ft long, probably weighting 150kg, maybe more but no more than 200kg.
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Post by creature386 on Feb 27, 2014 16:19:35 GMT 5
You said a 15 ft saltwater crocodile weighed 530 kg. So, the 2 t figure for the largest one doesn't seem that far off (I know, this is a bit off topic, but it is great that we now have something for scaling).
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Post by Vodmeister on Feb 28, 2014 15:15:25 GMT 5
23 ÷ 15 = 1.53333
1.53333 ^ 3 = 3.605037
3.605037 * 530 kg = 1,910.67 kg
If crocodiles still reach 7 meters in length today, 2 tonnes is certainly not unthinkable - esp. considering that longer crocs add more bulk
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Post by creature386 on Feb 28, 2014 18:09:28 GMT 5
The largest one supported by modern day literature (Erickson et al. 2012) was roughly 6.7 m long. When adding some bulk, you may be able to fill the 2 metric tons in a 7 m crocodile and get something quite close to 2 short tons for a 6.7 m crocodile.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 23:13:27 GMT 5
I lean slightly towards the lion at parity.......
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Post by Apex on Mar 2, 2014 4:32:49 GMT 5
Max sizes obvious win for the croc massive size advantage
In deep or shallow water I say the croc also wins, a wet mane could be a HUGE disadvantage for the lion and an explosive burst from the crocodile would be deadly
Im not sure about land
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Post by Carcharodon on Mar 2, 2014 5:42:49 GMT 5
I think the lion would have an edge on land at average sizes. At maximum, the crocodile would definitely win even on land.
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Post by Vodmeister on Mar 8, 2014 10:47:19 GMT 5
How exactly would a 2000 pound crocodile catch a 570 pound lion on land? I've seen people dance around moderately sized crocs. The lion is a cat (much faster than a human) and a 20 foot crocodile would likely by much more sluggish than an 11 foot specimen on land.
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Post by spinosaurus1 on Mar 8, 2014 11:23:28 GMT 5
in terms of locomotion, yes. but crocodilians of even very large size are able to strike at a great burst of speed using the muscles in their bodies and powerful tail. amusing that this is a face to face match, i really don't think speed would be a major deciding factor. agility would be the main appliance. if the lion does get too close to the business end, i see no major difficulty for the Nile crocodile to lunge forward and maul it.
as for my vote, i favor the lion slightly at parity. but at max sizes, the croc is just too big
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Post by Vodmeister on Mar 8, 2014 11:53:55 GMT 5
Cats are smart animals. Lions will not attack a crocodile head-on, instead it would avoid the jaws at all cost and go for a skull bite/neck bite on the big reptile. Despite it's size deficiency, on bone dryland I can see a 250 kg Lion killing a 1000 kg Crocodile. The Lion would have to be patient though, and wear the Croc out. Reptiles take time to heat up once they are exhausted.
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Post by spinosaurus1 on Mar 8, 2014 12:14:51 GMT 5
i never said they're not smart. but honestly, if a lion try to go in for a skull/neck bite, it wouldn't be too hard to imagine the croc retaliating. an attempt to bite the head is probably the worst thing the feline could attempt. i can see a neck bite being effective and is why i think the match is not a mismatch. but i just see the croc being able to bite and death role the cat more often then not. if not killing, then severely wounding it to submission and retreat
so basically, i can see a 250 kg lion being able to kill a 1000 kg crocodile. but just not for the majority
and i actually find it rather hard to get good clarification on reptiles endurance. at times, they are submissive and at other times,(with the case with the croc that was killed by an olive python i believe) they can put up a fight that could last over 5 hours. it really depends on a lot of factors to see how a reptile is going to be able to peform.
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Post by creature386 on Mar 8, 2014 14:14:42 GMT 5
250 kg vs 1,000 kg is at best a stalemate because this would be a damn huge crocodile, very hard to kill for the lion. As large crocodiles can struggle for over an hour (the study on reptile, mammal and dinosaur endurance proves this), I believe this could be a very long fight which could end with the lion making some mistake after like 50 "wearing down attacks" and get killed.
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