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Post by Exalt on Sept 28, 2023 2:59:38 GMT 5
Where in the article does it say that? I haven't been able to find it. It won't let me upload images. Can you ctrl + f and type vfx?
Anyway, here are four posters. I have a hunch that that marine reptile's design won't be received well....
The negativity around this doc seems to be increasing, sigh.
Any idea why some people don't like the Smilodon and T.Rex designs? I rather like the former and the latter is fine, to me.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Sept 28, 2023 3:15:30 GMT 5
Where in the article does it say that? I haven't been able to find it. It won't let me upload images. Can you ctrl + f and type vfx? Anyway, here are four posters. I have a hunch that that marine reptile's design won't be received well....
The negativity around this doc seems to be increasing, sigh. Any idea why some people don't like the Smilodon and T.Rex designs? I rather like the former and the latter is fine, to me.
I love those posters OMG. Can't decide whether I like the Smilodon or the pliosaur better.     |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Sept 28, 2023 3:17:58 GMT 5
As for the negativity (double commenting because I don't want this to be overshadowed by those massive images), I have little idea as well. As best I can tell it has to do with snapshots in the trailer that would imply the old Smilodon outcompeting terror bird narrative: don't know why anyone doesn't like either the Smilodon or T. rex because both look good to me.
I have to say I'm very excited for Smilodon. I have a soft spot for it in palaeodocumentaries thanks to none other than WWB's Sabre Tooth, so I'm over the moon that they put it here.
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Post by Exalt on Sept 28, 2023 3:21:26 GMT 5
I do get the Smilodon vs. Terror bird narrative, but also we only see the smaller looking Smilodons with them, which don't look as nice to me as the larger ones, but what do I know.
But ergo, if it's Gracillis and Titanis, and we see Populator afterward,it could work, but I guess I'm not holding my breath for too long at a time here.
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Post by Infinity Blade on Sept 28, 2023 3:39:03 GMT 5
Where in the article does it say that? I haven't been able to find it. It won't let me upload images. Can you ctrl + f and type vfx? Anyway, here are four posters. I have a hunch that that marine reptile's design won't be received well....
The negativity around this doc seems to be increasing, sigh. Any idea why some people don't like the Smilodon and T.Rex designs? I rather like the former and the latter is fine, to me.
I'm not really sure about the negative sentiments behind the T. rex, I'm fine with it. The Smilodon has been criticized very early on (months before the official trailer's release) for the look of its face. The eyes are placed too close together like a modern big cat instead of more far apart like a real sabertooth, so it looks kind of weird or uncanny (for lack of a better word). To me, aside from that, I think it's fine as far as Smilodon models go. |
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Post by Exalt on Sept 28, 2023 3:40:24 GMT 5
I'm not as fond of the two that we've seen facing forward in the terror bird scene as I am of the others.
EDIT: One more thing, I don't know where this from, but I saw it on twitter. Also oddly enough, in the process I discovered that there is, in fact, a way to upload files.
In general, there seems to be a surprising emphasis on intraspecies affection.
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Post by Exalt on Sept 28, 2023 8:30:28 GMT 5
So, any positives? Any hopes or curiosities?
It's weird how we still haven't seen anything that would be in episode 7, presumably.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Oct 3, 2023 1:57:11 GMT 5
I found this image that shows LOOP's take on T. rex babies.  Have a hunch that this will be a WWD-esque scenario where the babies are in trouble because of a large herbivorous dinosaur, although the Ankylosaurus would be replaced with the Triceratops obviously. Let's see how accurate that guess will be! |
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Post by Exalt on Oct 7, 2023 1:48:06 GMT 5
I hereby present to you, Deinonychus (read the replies) in a production associated with Stephen Spielburg. People seem to agree that the anatomy is fine but disagree on the textures.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Oct 7, 2023 2:05:14 GMT 5
First appearance in a palaeodocumentary since that very repetitive (very repetitive(very repetitive(lol))) 2009 junk Clash of the Dinosaurs. This should be way better.
When I saw it at the end of the trailer, I thought it was a similar species to Yutyrannus. Shows how misleading closeups can be!
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Post by theropod on Oct 7, 2023 3:46:24 GMT 5
I hereby present to you, Deinonychus (read the replies) in a production associated with Stephen Spielburg. People seem to agree that the anatomy is fine but disagree on the textures. Yeah, well…Compared to most older documentaries, obviously that still looks pretty good, but compared to the new standards set by PP, it really doesn’t. I’m kind of hoping that they just a bit weird in this shot, but will look better in motion. |
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Post by Exalt on Oct 7, 2023 3:51:55 GMT 5
Every day I buy more into the idea that people would be higher on this if it came out before that.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Oct 7, 2023 3:52:06 GMT 5
I hereby present to you, Deinonychus (read the replies) in a production associated with Stephen Spielburg. People seem to agree that the anatomy is fine but disagree on the textures. Yeah, well…Compared to most older documentaries, obviously that still looks pretty good, but compared to the new standards set by PP, it really doesn’t. I’m kind of hoping that they just a bit weird in this shot, but will look better in motion. Just wondering, what exactly does not? The CGI quality? The feathers? The shape of the animal? I must admit to my untrained eye that this Deinonychus looks reasonably comparable to a PP dromaeosaur in terms of accuracy. Hence my curiosity. |
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Post by theropod on Oct 7, 2023 5:10:20 GMT 5
Basically just the feathers. This is not primarily a matter of paleontological accuracy, more of artistic quality, including the many small details that need to be kept in mind in order to make CGI seem as real as possible. From what I can tell, there’s nothing wrong with the underlying skeletal anatomy or posture, and I cannot judge the quality of the animation as this is just a still and not actually animated. My hope is that the animal will look better when in motion than it does in this still, although based on what we see, I doubt it will look as good as the PP dromaeosaurs. To try and put into words what I think it is that looks bad to me about the way they did the feathers: Both the contour feathers and the wing feathers seem weirdly narrow and pointed, making the whole thing seem odd and ragged instead of smooth (that goes for both the wing margins, the body outline and the individual coverts and contour feathers), and the wings weirdly sparse. The very elongated, narrow contour feathers make it look as though they weren’t actually pennaceous feathers, but rather some sort of protofeather-like bristle-structure. It also has those two weird, well-ordered rows of coverts that don’t really look like what you see on actual wings (where the coverts tend to be more variable in size, much broader and rounder, and usually not near as neatly arranged. Also, the coloration is at best very uninspired and uncanny-looking, and contributes to the whole thing just looking "off" and unreal. I’d have no problem with black plumage per se (though I think it isn’t a very likely option for a sizeable predator for camouflage reasons, but there could be hypermelanistic individuals, just as we see in extant animals), but instead of a realistic looking black as part of a well-made surface texture they they opted for this weird sort of extremely uniform matte black, without a shade of iridescence or even a hint of countershading or any other colour variation or imperfection that you’d see in real animals. It’s these little details of the 3D art that make a huge difference when it comes to making something look real. Compare the Deinonychus to what an actual blackbird looks like:  Even in a bird that’s totally pitch black, the color is still less homogeneous than in the LOOP Deinonychus, as well as being more glossy. That’s just what real animals tend to look like, and it’s attention to detail like that that sets apart truly great visual effects from relatively decent ones. Also compare it to one of the dromaeosaurs from prehistoric planet:  link Yes, these are differently colored in general, and I’d argue that this color scheme is not just less lazy and more visually pleasing, it is also more realistic (with countershading, which always tends to make animal models look more real and plausible, and with multiple different colors, some lightly shining through the different-colored topmost contour feathers) but the execution is also better. There is some subtle patterning, some translucency, even feathers that are part of the same color are just ever so subtly different shades, there is what looks like some iridescence and you can see the light glinting off and shining through the feathers (unlike the Deinonychus which is so uniformly and opaquely black it just looks artificial). They also don’t have any of the problems I mentioned regarding wing and feather geometry; the wing feathers look like those on actual bird wings, and the contour feathers look like actual avian contour feathers, as they should. Btw the fact that there’s Deinonychus in this is one more piece of evidence suggesting there will be major time jumps within each episode, as there aren’t enough episodes to cover all the time periods needed for all of these animals if each episode is entirely set at one single point in time. Or at least I’d strongly hope so, as the only alternative would be to show the animals very very anachronistically. |
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Post by Exalt on Oct 7, 2023 5:25:52 GMT 5
The "too perfect" idea seems to also be the one real criticism of the mammoths.  While I do find it quite good-looking, some have made the description that it's like they shampooed it, or something, and I can't say that they're wrong. |
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