Grappling vs biting

[Supercommunist]

Grey fox escapes a bobcat attack.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=We4cWl3JgZw&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fcarnivora.net%2F&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE&feature=emb_title

[Supercommunist]

Boar fends off a tiger:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDX-1fZH_vY

[Infinity Blade]

Okay, not really grappling vs biting, but biting vs biting. This hyena grabbed a young zebra by its abdominal region trying to eviscerate it, but the zebra was able to bite back against it. Having a biting mouth and a reasonably flexible neck really does seem to serve well when defending against something that's gripped you.

[Shri devi]

Does this count? 

[razor45dino]

I guess so

[razor45dino]

is biting a better counter to grappling or is vice versa true?

[Infinity Blade]

This was a battle between a rock python and a leopard. The leopard won, but it still sustained injuries, with a wound on its right paw that caused a limp. And constrictors don't even have the most lethal bites among predators.

Although adult pythons can weigh in at over 90 kilograms, leopards are bold predators that are more than capable of tackling larger prey. "In the end, the python was defeated, with numerous puncture wounds on its body, especially on its head area," Saint explained. "The leopard also had injuries with an obvious wound to the right front paw which could be clearly seen as it limped away from the scene."

www.earthtouchnews.com/natural-world/predator-vs-prey/leopards-intense-brawl-with-a-python-caught-on-camera/

You can sort of see the injury in this image.


However, in a way I also think the leopard's victory illustrates this same principle. The snake bit and got at least one coil around the leopard (image->), but just apprehending it wasn't enough. To be fair, the leopard could and did use its claws to get free, but it also seems to have bitten its way out, as shown in the image above.

[Supercommunist]

May 24, 2024 5:39:49 GMT 5 Infinity Blade said:

This was a battle between a rock python and a leopard. The leopard won, but it still sustained injuries, with a wound on its right paw that caused a limp. And constrictors don't even have the most lethal bites among predators.

Although adult pythons can weigh in at over 90 kilograms, leopards are bold predators that are more than capable of tackling larger prey. "In the end, the python was defeated, with numerous puncture wounds on its body, especially on its head area," Saint explained. "The leopard also had injuries with an obvious wound to the right front paw which could be clearly seen as it limped away from the scene."

www.earthtouchnews.com/natural-world/predator-vs-prey/leopards-intense-brawl-with-a-python-caught-on-camera/

You can sort of see the injury in this image.


However, in a way I also think the leopard's victory illustrates this same principle. The snake bit and got at least one coil around the leopard (image->), but just apprehending it wasn't enough. To be fair, the leopard could and did use its claws to get free, but it also seems to have bitten its way out, as shown in the image above.

Never noticed that the python got a bite on the leopard. People just assumed it was a totally one-sided beat down. Also worth noting that python didn't actually die. It was weakened and eaten by a clan of hyenas.

It is worth pointing out that pythons do have small and pretty fragile heads which makes them vulnerable to cat paw swipes. Constrictors do have a history of beating much larger predators that rely on their jaws.

The most extreme I know of is a rat snake restraining a fox.

www.reddit.com/r/HardcoreNature/comments/10q2x1l/a_large_rat_snake_elaphe_quatuorlineata_turning/

[Infinity Blade]

May 24, 2024 6:56:43 GMT 5 Supercommunist said:

May 24, 2024 5:39:49 GMT 5 Infinity Blade said:

This was a battle between a rock python and a leopard. The leopard won, but it still sustained injuries, with a wound on its right paw that caused a limp. And constrictors don't even have the most lethal bites among predators.

www.earthtouchnews.com/natural-world/predator-vs-prey/leopards-intense-brawl-with-a-python-caught-on-camera/

You can sort of see the injury in this image.


However, in a way I also think the leopard's victory illustrates this same principle. The snake bit and got at least one coil around the leopard (image->), but just apprehending it wasn't enough. To be fair, the leopard could and did use its claws to get free, but it also seems to have bitten its way out, as shown in the image above.

Never noticed that the python got a bite on the leopard. People just assumed it was a totally one-sided beat down. Also worth noting that python didn't actually die. It was weakened and eaten by a clan of hyenas.

It is worth pointing out that pythons do have small and pretty fragile heads which makes them vulnerable to cat paw swipes. Constrictors do have a history of beating much larger predators that rely on their jaws.

The most extreme I know of is a rat snake restraining a fox.

www.reddit.com/r/HardcoreNature/comments/10q2x1l/a_large_rat_snake_elaphe_quatuorlineata_turning/

Wait, the snake didn't die!? The news articles I read about it implied or outright claimed the leopard killed it, especially with a bite to the skull. Where was it revealed that the snake was subsequently killed by hyenas? Because if that's the case, that's even more impressive (even if the snake was vulnerable afterwards).

[Supercommunist]

May 24, 2024 8:56:25 GMT 5 Infinity Blade said:

May 24, 2024 6:56:43 GMT 5 Supercommunist said:

Never noticed that the python got a bite on the leopard. People just assumed it was a totally one-sided beat down. Also worth noting that python didn't actually die. It was weakened and eaten by a clan of hyenas.

It is worth pointing out that pythons do have small and pretty fragile heads which makes them vulnerable to cat paw swipes. Constrictors do have a history of beating much larger predators that rely on their jaws.

The most extreme I know of is a rat snake restraining a fox.

www.reddit.com/r/HardcoreNature/comments/10q2x1l/a_large_rat_snake_elaphe_quatuorlineata_turning/

Wait, the snake didn't die!? The news articles I read about it implied or outright claimed the leopard killed it, especially with a bite to the skull. Where was it revealed that the snake was subsequently killed by hyenas? Because if that's the case, that's even more impressive (even if the snake was vulnerable afterwards).

Found the account.

http://instagram.com/p/B4Ju3-8AWEm

The death stare! After the leopard was done with fighting, the hyenas came in to claim their share. The python's last head lift before he gave in

Animal media is honestly garbage. Just look all the professional nature channel that call caimans crocodiles to generate more views.

[Infinity Blade]

That is wild. That python really was a fighter.

[Supercommunist]

Cases of lone hyenas holding their own against aggressive male leopards.

www.reddit.com/r/HardcoreNature/comments/1d6bisk/male_leopard_tries_to_take_his_kill_back_from_a/\



Smaller leopard but its cool to see the hyena tank the leopard's blows.



Hyena escapes male lion without help.



Apparently this hyena survived a 15 minute mauling.

. Suddenly into stalk mode, the lead lion stalked the unsuspecting hyena and went for it! The lion had the hyena pinned down for about 15 minutes trying to suffocate and kill it. The second lion came and gave the hyena a bit of a rough time and left. Both male lions left, I though this poor hyena was done for, but surprisingly it got itself up within a few minutes and staggered away, thankfully as the entire pride was on the otherside of the bogani! A new found respect for hyenas! I've been visiting the Mara for over 30 years, and this was a first!

thegreatestmaasaimara.com/?competition_data=enemies

This crocodile allegedly escape this similar sized leopard.



The guy who took the photo commented on this account twice on facebook. He once said it escaped after an hour long fight but this comment seems more realistic. It's possible the first comment was translated incorrectly.

Attachments:

[Supercommunist]

Video of a mugger crocodile surviving a leopard attack.

Admittedly the buffalo may have played a large role but it is worth noting that there does seem to be a large cut as the two animals seemed to have moved a considerable difference after the cut. This suggests the crocodile was being attacked for some time.

[Supercommunist]

Limited context but here is an account of a 3 year old sub adult lioness that was injured by a hyena.

[Infinity Blade]

These encounters involved hyena clans, but then again, these lionesses were not alone either. Two different lionesses, mother and daughter, both got their tails bitten in fights with hyenas. The original mother chewed her own tail off, while the daughter got her tail bitten clean off.

Jump forward a few years to 2005 and by this point, the ‘Tailless’ lioness (who still had her tail at the time) was with her now-bigger pride (made up of her original two cubs and a younger litter of four). She had killed a zebra and all seven lions were feeding on the carcass. The commotion and noise caused by the pride feeding drew the attention of a clan of hyenas who came into the area to steal the kill. By the time rangers arrived, a fight had ensued between the lions and hyenas and the older lioness had been very severely mauled. A hyena had managed to bite her tail and remove a large chunk from the base of it. What progressed over the next few days shocked everyone as this lioness actually chewed away her own tail to curb the infection, a desperate last resort for survival. For many weeks she could hardly move and was unable to hunt. As a result she lost two of her cubs to starvation. What she gained though was an enormous amount of respect from those who witnessed her fight for her life. She had proven the extremity of her strength and resilience.

The Tailless female after the encounter with the hyena. Subsequent to this she actually bit her own tail off.


The Tailless female after removing her own tail. At this point the wound had begun to heal and she could move about and hunt again.

In 2011, the similarities between the two lionesses I speak of really began to get bizarre. One night the Tsalala Pride caught and killed a zebra beyond the southern boundary of their territory. During the night hyenas stole their carcass and when rangers found the pride the following morning, the adult lioness (Tailless lioness’ very own daughter) had had her tail bitten clean off by what we can only assume was a hyena. Within the space of a few short years, both mother and daughter had met the same fate in some eerily similar circumstances. The Tsalala Pride was in huge danger at this point because of her injury but just when rangers thought the newly injured lioness would die, the original Tailless re-joined her natal pride and helped them to kill a buffalo after ten days of not eating. After she had fed with them she returned to the Breakway Pride. Once again the Tailless lioness had come to the rescue.

The more recent Tailless female after losing her tail in the same set of strange circumstances as her mother. Photograph by Adam Bannister

blog.londolozi.com/2017/05/01/the-epic-story-of-the-tailless-lioness-then-and-now/