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Post by theropod on Nov 2, 2013 3:49:36 GMT 5
A body is accellerated in a linear direction, because a body can at any given time only move in a linear direction if no continous force is applied to it.
Its the sum of many accellerations, each of course only in one direction, that makes a body propell itself in what we perceive as a non-linear movement.
Each step or leap brings a body on a straight path of motion (in top view of course, laterally you'll see the effects of gravity, which ACCELLERATES it downwards, otherwise it would just float away).
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Post by Runic on Nov 2, 2013 3:54:08 GMT 5
A body is accellerated in a linear direction, because a body can at any given time only move in a linear direction if no continous force is applied to it. Its the sum of many accellerations, each of course only in one direction, that makes a body propell itself in what we perceive as a non-linear movement. Each step or leap brings a body on a straight path of motion (in top view of course, laterally you'll see the effects of gravity, which ACCELLERATES it downwards, otherwise it would just float away). Something called deceleration disagrees with this post. Rocks decelerate once they hit the ground from a falling position. If you swing your hand at something and I in the middle of your swing smack your hand, your hand will decelerate thus the impact of it won't be as powerful should you continue your swing into the object. Why do you think things slow down significantly once they hit a sharp turn? By how you put is accelerating is more of a disadvantage then an advantage. I guess since acceleration makes up a factor of agility and not speed then cats should be breaking bones from hitting sharp turns correct? Acceleration does not affect agility. |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Nov 2, 2013 4:28:16 GMT 5
Good job, countering a generalized statement with specific examples! Your brilliant, utterly brilliant! I actually was dumbing it down for you by implying that dogs are faster than cats. Apparently you didn't get the hint. Thanks for calling me brilliant tho  I was mocking the very fundements of your reply, not so much the reply itself. I would argue that acceleration is more important than top speed when it comes to sprinting. If a dog can run 400 km/h but takes 40 minutes to reach that speed is it a better sprinter than a cat that only runs at 20 km/h but reaches that speed in 1.5 seconds? I would say no. |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Nov 2, 2013 4:32:42 GMT 5
Constrictor snakes are grapplers supreme and they dont have any limbs that aid the proccess at all. Dextarity=\=equal superior grappling always, usually but not always. Constricting is not grappling. But nice try tho! Grapple: engage in a close fight or struggle without weapons. Are you so sure of that? |
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Post by Runic on Nov 2, 2013 4:33:40 GMT 5
I actually was dumbing it down for you by implying that dogs are faster than cats. Apparently you didn't get the hint. Thanks for calling me brilliant tho I was mocking the very fundements of your reply, not so much the reply itself. I would argue that acceleration is more important than top speed when it comes to sprinting. If a dog can run 400 km/h but takes 40 minutes to reach that speed is it a better sprinter than a cat that only runs at 20 km/h but reaches that speed in 1.5 seconds? I would say no. Accept you are using extremes to prove a point. In reality it would take a dog only a second or moreso than a similar sized cat to reach top speed. (Yes I know you used a example). There's a reason africans use dogs to hunt down fast accelerating animals like cheetahs and leopard. Whats the point of having fast acceleration when running if your only gonna regardless wear yourself out and be caught in the long run? |
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Post by Runic on Nov 2, 2013 4:35:15 GMT 5
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Nov 2, 2013 4:41:43 GMT 5
I was mocking the very fundements of your reply, not so much the reply itself. I would argue that acceleration is more important than top speed when it comes to sprinting. If a dog can run 400 km/h but takes 40 minutes to reach that speed is it a better sprinter than a cat that only runs at 20 km/h but reaches that speed in 1.5 seconds? I would say no. Accept you are using extremes to prove a point. In reality it would take a dog only a second or moreso than a similar sized cat to reach top speed. (Yes I know you used a example). There's a reason africans use dogs to hunt down fast accelerating animals like cheetahs and leopard. Whats the point of having fast acceleration when running if your only gonna regardless wear yourself out and be caught in the long run? My original point had nothing to do with what your bringing up now, I stated cats are better sprinters, you argued against it using top speeds I counter argued by stating acceleration is more important to sprinting than top speeds. I never said cats were faster in general either just that they are better sprinters. |
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Post by Runic on Nov 2, 2013 4:45:48 GMT 5
I know Epicyon was a better grappler than any other Dog, but I still don't see how it's a better grappler than the Jaguar since the Jaguar's claws are like hook's. Also don't cat's normally have better speed, and reflexes than Dog's? cats in general are better sprintters but cant maintain speed like Canines, as for the reflexes I think its more along the lines of greater agility then reflexes. We are all adressing speed. You added onto DMs assumption or question. One that I refuted. Therefore since you allowed yourself to continue in the discussion we are infact both arguing about DMs initial post. Accelerating is a PART OF TOP SPEED. Therefore once again, it is an incorrect assumption you made saying accelerating is more important than the very thing it helps create. |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Nov 2, 2013 4:53:46 GMT 5
funny, you elected to use the wiki definition instead of the google one for grappling, is it because I already supplied it? If you discount my definition of grappling by using a different source does it not also to somr effect discredit your definition from the same source? Dont cherry pick to help your arguement. When snakes constrict thier prey, they are grappling it as the prey item does struggle against the snake, in this scenario the two are effecti ely the same thing. |
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Post by Runic on Nov 2, 2013 4:57:25 GMT 5
funny, you elected to use the wiki definition instead of the google one for grappling, is it because I already supplied it? If you discount my definition of grappling by using a different source does it not also to somr effect discredit your definition from the same source? Dont cherry pick to help your arguement. When snakes constrict thier prey, they are grappling it as the prey item does struggle against the snake, in this scenario the two are effecti ely the same thing. No. I elected it because unlike constricting the definition of grappling was not embedded in the search page. Don't false assume. Constricting is not grappling, it falls along the reality of choking. Which as stated are entirely different from grappling. |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Nov 2, 2013 5:03:39 GMT 5
cats in general are better sprintters but cant maintain speed like Canines, as for the reflexes I think its more along the lines of greater agility then reflexes. We are all adressing speed. You added onto DMs assumption or question. One that I refuted. Therefore since you allowed yourself to continue in the discussion we are infact both arguing about DMs initial post. Accelerating is a PART OF TOP SPEED. Therefore once again, it is an incorrect assumption you made saying accelerating is more important than the very thing it helps create. I am stating that in regards solely to the act of sprinting that how fast you reach your top speed determines your effectiveness more so than your top speed does. I was infact correcting DM I was not supporting his arguements, nor does my post even indicate that I was. You guys are addressing speed, I addressed the act of sprinting, these are different things, related sure but different. Either actually continue our agrument by refuting that cats are generally better at accelerating than dogs or admit that i am correct. |
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Post by Runic on Nov 2, 2013 5:10:17 GMT 5
We are all adressing speed. You added onto DMs assumption or question. One that I refuted. Therefore since you allowed yourself to continue in the discussion we are infact both arguing about DMs initial post. Accelerating is a PART OF TOP SPEED. Therefore once again, it is an incorrect assumption you made saying accelerating is more important than the very thing it helps create. I am stating that in regards solely to the act of sprinting that -how fast you reach your top speed determines your effectiveness more so than your top speed does-. I was infact correcting DM I was not supporting his arguements, nor does my post even indicate that I was. You guys are addressing speed, I addressed the act of sprinting, these are different things, related sure but different. Either actually continue our agrument by refuting that cats are generally better at accelerating than dogs or admit that i am correct. You aren't right because you just repeated the same thing I corrected ! I put hyphens around it. How does something that makes UP the other more effective than the product item? Top speed does not influence acceleration, acceleration influences top speed. So how is a component more effective than it's product? You can accelerate your hand as much as you want to slap something but if your top speed is less than 1mph it won't do any damage. |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Nov 2, 2013 5:12:18 GMT 5
funny, you elected to use the wiki definition instead of the google one for grappling, is it because I already supplied it? If you discount my definition of grappling by using a different source does it not also to somr effect discredit your definition from the same source? Dont cherry pick to help your arguement. When snakes constrict thier prey, they are grappling it as the prey item does struggle against the snake, in this scenario the two are effecti ely the same thing. No. I elected it because unlike constricting the definition of grappling was not embedded in the search page. Don't false assume. Constricting is not grappling, it falls along the reality of choking. Which as stated are entirely different from grappling. really? because im looking at its Embedded ass right now. Im not false assuming and you just proved it, thank you. When a snake constricts/attemps to constrict its prey, the prey resists, this simple fact makes the snakes action both constriction and grappling therefore in this scenario the two are effectively the same. |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Nov 2, 2013 5:18:15 GMT 5
I am stating that in regards solely to the act of sprinting that -how fast you reach your top speed determines your effectiveness more so than your top speed does-. I was infact correcting DM I was not supporting his arguements, nor does my post even indicate that I was. You guys are addressing speed, I addressed the act of sprinting, these are different things, related sure but different. Either actually continue our agrument by refuting that cats are generally better at accelerating than dogs or admit that i am correct. You aren't right because you just repeated the same thing I corrected ! I put hyphens around it. How does something that makes UP the other more effective than the product item? Top speed does not influence acceleration, acceleration influences top speed. So how is a component more effective than it's product? You can accelerate your hand as much as you want to slap something but if your top speed is less than 1mph it won't do any damage. okay I will try to explain this to you only one last time. SOLEY in regards to the act of SPRINTING how fast you reach your top speed determines your effectiveness in the act of SPRINTING more so than your top speed in the act of SPRINTING. Therefore the cats ability to reach its top speed faster makes it a better SPRINTER than the dog. |
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Post by Runic on Nov 2, 2013 5:18:39 GMT 5
No. I elected it because unlike constricting the definition of grappling was not embedded in the search page. Don't false assume. Constricting is not grappling, it falls along the reality of choking. Which as stated are entirely different from grappling. really? because im looking at its Embedded ass right now. Im not false assuming and you just proved it, thank you. When a snake constricts/attemps to constrict its prey, the prey resists, this simple fact makes the snakes action both constriction and grappling therefore in this scenario the two are effectively the same. CONSTRICTING IS NOT GRAPPLING ! A python is like a big hand wrapping around your throat with the sole intent of BLOCKING air flow aka choking aka constricting! Grappling is the act of PURPOSEFULLY trying to gain a physical advantage over your opponent. Snakes do NOT grapple. Snakes CONSTRICT. You CANNOT kill an animal SOLELY from grappling. You CAN however do it by constriction. Do you now understand the difference? And for the record, I'm on a mobile in which constricting is embedded yet grappling isn't. |
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