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Post by Carcharodon on Jan 13, 2014 3:54:31 GMT 5
That's hardly wider at all than an american alligator.
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Post by spinodontosaurus on Jan 13, 2014 4:04:49 GMT 5
What its snout morphology implies is very strong emphasis on exertion of impressive force; its snout was very heavily-constructed and it was actually very wide (not as much in relation to snout length as in the American alligator, however). I do not know how to create comparisons of two animals in the ways that you guys can, but I can tell you that its snout morphology indicates heavily a strong ability to exert massive downward force.
I went ahead and made a comparison; note that the Alligator skull looks to be that of a relatively young/small individual; adults the size of Kaprosuchus (e.g. this one from Erickson et al. 2012) will be expected to have had even more impressive skulls.
There is very little difference between the two in terms of which had the more robustly constructed skull. Given that we lack any sort of biomechanic analysis for Kaprosuchus, it would be unwise to assume it had a superior bite based on it's skull alone. That is all I was saying - unless we have reason to think otherwise, the safest bet is to assume a similar bite force to modern crocodilians of the same size.
Kaprosuchus has larger dentition - but as I said this is probably down to the gator being young, the specimen I linked to from Erickson et al. has teeth just as thick as those of Kaprosuchus, albeit notably shorter in length.
What you say is all well and good, but I already demonstrated that Dimetrodon grandis is the one who appears to have had the larger skull and dentition. All you are doing is asserting what I had already acknowledged; that Kaprosuchus had a robust skull and strong bite, just like modern (robust-snouted) crocodilians. Why? Size is an important aspect, especially when modern crocodilians' bite forces are closely linked to it. Do you have any sort of reference for this?? The long teeth Kaprosuchus possessed if anything hint towards a killing style more along the lines of puncturing/grip ala spinosaurine theropods. |
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Post by Godzillasaurus on Jan 15, 2014 5:15:09 GMT 5
That's hardly wider at all than an american alligator. And so that makes it weak? I'm sorry, but your logic has been facepalm-inducing for some time now |
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Post by coherentsheaf on Jan 15, 2014 5:24:14 GMT 5
edit: nonsense, sry wrong thread.
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Post by spinodontosaurus on Jan 15, 2014 6:03:05 GMT 5
That's hardly wider at all than an american alligator. And so that makes it weak? I'm sorry, but your logic has been facepalm-inducing for some time now Carcharodon claimed, and I quote, "Although i do think kaprosuchus may be capable of causing larger wounds due to its big canines, i don't see how it would have a much stronger bite (if at all, really) than a similar sized alligator or crocodile." That's it - no mention or even hint of calling the skull weak, you imagined that yourself.
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Post by Carcharodon on Jan 15, 2014 6:34:21 GMT 5
That's hardly wider at all than an american alligator. And so that makes it weak? I'm sorry, but your logic has been facepalm-inducing for some time now Don't put words in my mouth. I never said it was weak, i was only pointing out that it hardly if at all has a stronger bite or wider skull than a similar sized modern gator/croc. And i find it hilariously ironic that you call my logic "facepalm-inducing" when you yourself backed deinosuchus rugosus against therizinosaurus despite having a blatant size disadvantage. |
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Post by creature386 on Jan 15, 2014 22:29:34 GMT 5
Do you really need to dig up old posts only for the sake of attacking him?
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Post by Infinity Blade on Jan 16, 2014 2:25:52 GMT 5
Is four months that old for you (I used to believe otherwise)? However, this whole D. rugosus vs. Therizinosaurus thing is irrelevant.
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Post by creature386 on Jan 16, 2014 2:38:31 GMT 5
It doesn't matter whether this is old enough or not, we are not talking about quoting it in the relevant thread. There is simply no need to point at completely irrelevant posts in another thread, just for "proving" that someone is dumb.
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Post by theropod on Jan 20, 2014 18:52:34 GMT 5
IÂ’d tend to agree with Godzillasaurus here;
Those long teeth suggest it relied more on actual bite force and perpendicular puncturing to kill its prey, while Gators have shorter teeth that they rather use to grip and then shake or deathroll.
That doesnÂ’t mean it had a stronger bite tough, actually those teeth simply have a more efficient shape for deep puncturing, so with similar bite force Kaprosuchus will be able to deal a deeper-bite, ridding it of the strong reliance on torsion and shaking or drowning to kill.
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Post by Godzillasaurus on Jan 20, 2014 20:32:44 GMT 5
They actually seem to work very similarly to tyrannosaurus actually: both animals possess robust and semi-conical dentition that is best designed for creating deep/forceful skeletal wounds through the addition of their high biting forces.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 3:54:53 GMT 5
Dimetrodon stomps.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 12, 2019 21:31:32 GMT 5
EDIT: Scratch that
Dimetrodon wins 6/10 due to size advantage, but 50/50 at parity
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2023 4:59:46 GMT 5
I favor the larger Dimetrodon, Kaprosuchus’ jaws no longer impress me as much as they used to.
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