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Post by Reticulatus on Feb 16, 2014 23:27:22 GMT 5
Mediterranean Monk Seal (Monachus monachus)
 Weight = 530 - 660 pounds Length = 7 - 9 feet NOAA: Mediterranean monk seals are considered opportunistic predators and feed on a variety of prey including bony fishes, cephalopods (mainly the common octopus Octopus vulgaris), and crustaceans.
ADW: Mediterranean monk seals are diurnal. They feed in shallow coastal waters on a large variety of fish. This includes eels, sardines, tuna, lobsters, flatfish, and mullets. They also feed on cephalopods such as octopuses.
Mediterranean monk seals also prey on sea turtles (Margaritoulis & Touliatou, 2011; Tonay et al., 2016).
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Margaritoulis, D., & Touliatou, S. (2011). Mediterranean monk seals present an ongoing threat for loggerhead sea turtles in Zakynthos. Marine Turtle Newsletter, (131), 18.
Tonay, A. M., Danyer, E., Dede, A., Öztürk, B., & Öztürk, A. A. (2016). The stomach content of a Mediterranean monk seal (Monachus monachus): finding of green turtle (Chelonia mydas) remains. Zoology in the Middle East, 62(3), 212-216.
Vs. Atlantic Goliath Grouper (Epinephelus itajara) Weight = ~ 800 pounds
Length = ~ 8 feet Oceana: The Atlantic goliath grouper, like most groupers, is an ambush predator and eats fairly large fishes and invertebrates and even small sharks. Reefs with large numbers of predators, like Atlantic goliath groupers, are known to be healthier than reefs with no predators, so this species may represent an important part of the reef food web. Atlantic goliath groupers feed by swallowing their prey whole; they do not chew. They use their very large mouths to create enough negative pressure to suck in whole fishes or large invertebrates, and they swallow them quickly and efficiently. References
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Post by Vodmeister on Feb 17, 2014 4:44:50 GMT 5
The seal is the bigger animal, though neither have terrifying weaponry.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 2:08:18 GMT 5
The monk seal has pathetic weaponry. You can just look it up, I'm not posting a skull. But at the same time, I don't see the grouper being able to catch the faster and more agile seal. Not to mention it's bigger and that would mean it would be hard for it to swallow. I see this as a stalemate, with maybe 51/49 to the seal.
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Post by fish on Feb 18, 2014 8:02:05 GMT 5
An "average" adult AGG would probably be significantly smaller then the 8 foot, 800 lbs monsters mentioned at max. An adult grouper is only about 4 feet long at maturity and I assume less then 200 lbs based on scaling, and after maturation there growth rate slows down greatly. But this is the case with most fish and in fish vs matches I usually assume we are using something between "starting" adult size and "maximum" size.
My opinion on this match at close size is that both would greatly struggle to do anything to each other. The grouper can theoretically suffocate the seal if it grabs the head in its mouth, but thats the only area that would fit and the seals agility and maneuverability makes it unlikely it would catch it. The seal meanwhile can continually nip at the grouper, but that would take a heck of a long time to do critical damage considering that this species of seal doesnt have the most impressive jaws, and its never a good idea to get too close to a grouper. So I would say both have a pretty even shot of defeating the other, which is not likely. The only other negative on the grouper, is like with other swallowers, the fish can choke itself if it takes something too big in its mouth, and I think that could happen if it manages to catch the seal.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 15:37:14 GMT 5
Where's the poll, BTW?
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Post by creature386 on Feb 22, 2014 15:47:29 GMT 5
I have no added one, thanks for reminding.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 16:05:47 GMT 5
MUCH BETTER
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 3:24:51 GMT 5
I think that the seal would win ever so slightly. I just think that its agility and flexibility would help it in such a situation that it would be able to wear the grouper down and kill it by biting, but I don't think it would be easy for the seal to kill such a large animal at all, especially when it is not a predator of particularly large prey either. I will say that the grouper does have a good chance of winning if it can manage to get the seal's head in its mouth quickly enough.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 8:13:51 GMT 5
I have no added one, thanks for reminding. You are welcome. Anyway, it appears this is even. |
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Post by creature386 on Apr 24, 2018 0:14:02 GMT 5
I have no added one, thanks for reminding. You are welcome. These were the sort of comments I had in mind when I wrote: Sure, but a sizeable minority of his revivals includes responses to year-old comments. Not that this is misunderstood as a big deal. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 3:38:43 GMT 5
Infinity Blade These were the sort of comments I had in mind when I wrote: Sure, but a sizeable minority of his revivals includes responses to year-old comments. Not that this is misunderstood as a big deal. I agree. |
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Post by Infinity Blade on Apr 27, 2018 9:14:06 GMT 5
Infinity Blade These were the sort of comments I had in mind when I wrote: Sure, but a sizeable minority of his revivals includes responses to year-old comments. Not that this is misunderstood as a big deal. You have to understand. The only reason why the necro in lion vs. tiger particularly struck me was that Soop had only replied to your old comment (and in just three words). Here (and everywhere else from what I've seen), he additionally gave his opinion. Again, not a big deal; I'm not going to lose any sleep over this. Since somebody (formerly Vivyx) is far more knowledgable on these animals that I am, I'll just go with his post. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 12, 2019 22:04:59 GMT 5
Yeah, this seems to be pretty even and a good fight
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Post by Creodont on Mar 31, 2023 11:54:44 GMT 5
Mediterranean monk seals have been recorded to take adult loggerhead sea turtles fwiw. However, I can also see the grouper engulfing the seal’s head to suffocate it.
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Post by Life on Apr 8, 2023 5:32:18 GMT 5
I have corrected the first post.
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