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Post by Infinity Blade on May 14, 2019 17:39:56 GMT 5
Uhh, Acrocanthosaurus should be comparable in size to Spinosaurus (~6-7 t?). As far as I know, it wasn't any more massive than any other theropod of top-tier body mass.
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 14, 2019 20:27:41 GMT 5
Uhh, Acrocanthosaurus should be comparable in size to Spinosaurus (~6-7 t?). As far as I know, it wasn't any more massive than any other theropod of top-tier body mass. Which species? I could have sworn at least 1 Spinosaurus species would've been 10-16 tons Of course, Spinosaurus stomps 10/10 against almost all other large theropods in water. I think Spino's also underrated there because water isn't taken into consideration |
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Post by Infinity Blade on May 14, 2019 21:59:59 GMT 5
S. aegyptiacus. I'm not really up to date on the scientific consensus of the number of species of Spinosaurus, but at least from what I can tell (read: checking Wiki's species list, which is admittedly lazy), S. aegyptiacus seems to be the only confirmed one. Something tells me this is probably a remnant from earlier years. I'm not sure if this is perfect, as I remember complaints that the cross section of Spinosaurus' body wasn't round enough in this study, but the most recent body mass estimate I can identify for Spinosaurus is ~6500 kg ( Henderson, 2018).
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Post by creature386 on May 15, 2019 0:50:41 GMT 5
Of course, Spinosaurus stomps 10/10 against almost all other large theropods in water. I think Spino's also underrated there because water isn't taken into consideration Land isn't taken into consideration in great white shark vs saltwater crocodile debates either, so what?If I remember correctly, this was based on isometrically scaling a Suchomimus to a length of 16-18 m. Apart from Spinosaurus most likely not being that long, we now know that it almost certainly was not an oversized Suchomimus. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 15, 2019 1:06:31 GMT 5
Of course, Spinosaurus stomps 10/10 against almost all other large theropods in water. I think Spino's also underrated there because water isn't taken into consideration Land isn't taken into consideration in great white shark vs saltwater crocodile debates either, so what? That's because both of them are at home the most in water. I think T rex vs Spinosaurus would've been a lot more comparable to crocodilian vs big cat/bear, since one is aquatic/semiaquatic while 1 is terrestrial |
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 15, 2019 1:13:15 GMT 5
S. aegyptiacus. I'm not really up to date on the scientific consensus of the number of species of Spinosaurus, but at least from what I can tell (read: checking Wiki's species list, which is admittedly lazy), S. aegyptiacus seems to be the only confirmed one. Something tells me this is probably a remnant from earlier years. I'm not sure if this is perfect, as I remember complaints that the cross section of Spinosaurus' body wasn't round enough in this study, but the most recent body mass estimate I can identify for Spinosaurus is ~6500 kg ( Henderson, 2018). Is that the case? I'd expect it to weigh around ~8.5 tons due to it being a bit too slender and likely higher bone density, in which case it'd still be able to give Acro and Tarbo a run for their money on land |
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Post by Infinity Blade on May 15, 2019 1:25:52 GMT 5
S. aegyptiacus. I'm not really up to date on the scientific consensus of the number of species of Spinosaurus, but at least from what I can tell (read: checking Wiki's species list, which is admittedly lazy), S. aegyptiacus seems to be the only confirmed one. Something tells me this is probably a remnant from earlier years. I'm not sure if this is perfect, as I remember complaints that the cross section of Spinosaurus' body wasn't round enough in this study, but the most recent body mass estimate I can identify for Spinosaurus is ~6500 kg ( Henderson, 2018). Is that the case? I'd expect it to weigh around ~8.5 tons due to it being a bit too slender and likely higher bone density, in which case it'd still be able to give Acro and Tarbo a run for their money on land Density was already taken into account in Henderson (2018), it seems. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 15, 2019 1:47:19 GMT 5
Is that the case? I'd expect it to weigh around ~8.5 tons due to it being a bit too slender and likely higher bone density, in which case it'd still be able to give Acro and Tarbo a run for their money on land Density was already taken into account in Henderson (2018), it seems. Maybe about 7-7.5 tons, then |
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Post by creature386 on May 15, 2019 2:10:30 GMT 5
Land isn't taken into consideration in great white shark vs saltwater crocodile debates either, so what? That's because both of them are at home the most in water. I think T rex vs Spinosaurus would've been a lot more comparable to crocodilian vs big cat/bear, since one is aquatic/semiaquatic while 1 is terrestrial Maybe. I remember a lot of people on Carnivora also having considered who would win in the water.As coherentsheaf would say, the making up numbers game has begun. Henderson assumed a density of about 850 g/l for theropods. He basically gave them the density of water and then subtracted 15% for pneumaticity. I'm not saying his calculations are perfect, but your criticisms appear insufficient. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 15, 2019 2:14:20 GMT 5
As coherentsheaf would say, the making up numbers game has begun. Henderson assumed a density of about 850 g/l for theropods. He basically gave them the density of water and then subtracted 15% for pneumaticity. I'm not saying his calculations are perfect, but your criticisms appear insufficient. Insufficient which way? I'll admit that was my guess. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 15, 2019 20:41:02 GMT 5
Overrated:
T rex. Don't need to say why (although it certainly has a fearsome disposition and isn't to be downplayed)
Underrated:
Abelisaurids, ESPECIALLY Carnotaurus. They've got very strong bites and robust skulls, contrary to what some think
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 17, 2019 4:52:35 GMT 5
Underrated: Prey against predators, because the prey is usually unhealthy and doesn't try to kill the predator. I may make a seperate thread
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Post by rock on May 17, 2019 15:19:21 GMT 5
overated: bull hippo , grizzly bear , polar bear , t-rex , triceratops , african bush elephant , stegosaurus
underrated:grey wolf , spotted hyena , cheetah , wolverine , cougar , allosaurus , spinosaurus , hyenadon gigas
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 17, 2019 16:33:18 GMT 5
overated: triceratops , stegosaurus Care to back that up? |
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Post by rock on May 17, 2019 17:36:24 GMT 5
overated: triceratops , stegosaurus Care to back that up? on the internet i hear people who back a triceratops to beat a apatosarus and as for stegosaurus i hear many people overate them as well  www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yFadbcwtsc |
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