guategojira
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Post by guategojira on Mar 26, 2014 23:37:17 GMT 5
I don't think any mentally stable person over 7 truly believes that... Incredible as it is, there are persons that actually believe and spread these kinds of lies and absurd exaggerations about lions. Take a look on AVA and you will see it.  Both tigers and lions are magnificent predators, but there is no need to exaggerate them feats. They are great on they own and both are at the top of the food change on they own territories. As matter of fact, in the places where they coexisted (India), they avoided each other based on they own ecology, as they are adapted to two completely different habitats, tigers to the close-forest habitat and lions to the open-savanna habitat (Sunquist, 1981).  |
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Post by creature386 on Mar 27, 2014 19:37:40 GMT 5
I somehow can't believe that, could you (or some other yuku poster) please give a link to such a post by @boldchamp on yuku?
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guategojira
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Post by guategojira on Mar 27, 2014 23:02:19 GMT 5
I somehow can't believe that, could you (or some other yuku poster) please give a link to such a post by @boldchamp on yuku? Uhhhhhh, there are literally thousands of post in AVA, there is no way that we could found that post, however, here is the link to AVA, specifically lion-vs-tiger: animalsversesanimals.yuku.com/forums/71/Lion-vs-Tiger#.UzRn4FfDU4IYou can ask to other posters like Pckts, Vodmeister and malick6 from AVA, maybe they can remember that infamous post from Bold. Believe me, he say that, maybe because he was angry, maybe because he doesn't want to loose that particular fight (in that moment), but he said that. |
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Post by creature386 on Mar 27, 2014 23:37:30 GMT 5
Wow, I always thought he and Asad were quality posters. Bold's comments sometimes sounded biased (9/10 victory in favor of the tiger), but his arguments appeared logical and he was able to back up his posts with a lot of data (except if the cherry-picking accusations of Superpredator are true, if yes, I would value if someone could clear me up on this).
As for Asad, I especially valued the research skills and quantity of data he was able to present. He was surely no perfect poster (for example I think a lot of what he posted in replies to my comments were irrelevant to my posts), but I would have never expected that he is a troll (he even defended the tiger in an early post on carnivora, as he believed it is larger enough on average to win).
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guategojira
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Post by guategojira on Mar 31, 2014 23:15:21 GMT 5
Bold is overrated. He has NEVER presented a logical argument and his data is far from conclusive. He used small samples (two lions against one tiger for the stamina nonsense, for example) for his ideas but when similar sizes samples were offered in favor of tigers, he dismissed without any justification. I have personally debunked his idea that tigers food intake is larger than that of lions greatly, however, he still post this idea, despite the fact that strong and direct evidence against it, from me and others, has been presented. About Asad, he has ANY quality, he/she is a false person, a liar and a troll, check this out: animalsversesanimals.yuku.com/topic/3124/Barbary-Lion-vs-Tsavo-Lion#.Uzmv1lfDU4JRead the entire FOUR pages, in these posts, I finally decided to destroy him (the strong language was the result of several months of direct confrontation) and here I show that Asad misquoted documents and is creating fake information. He/she provides a lot of links but these are NOT part of what he writes. He/she makes random quotes from different websites, studies and articles, most of them are third party, outdated and when read fully it gives a different meaning. He/she posts the same set of pictures a hundred of times, over and over and over, which makes no sense and irrelevant to the discussion or topic. He/she normally makes his own quotes and provides us a false link. When cornered and confronted he will put the blame on reputable experts and scientists like Dr Packer, Yamaguchi, Valmik Thapar etc. And the worst, when we show that he is completely wrong in a point, he changes it without warning, running away of his/her mistakes!!! Many people think that a large post, full of links and a lot of images, are full of quality information, but how many people take the time to read all and every single word or link in a post??? Well, I DO, and I found that Asad is the worst poster I have ever met, trashing the tiger in every opportunity, he/she is no better than the poachers in the wild.  So NO, Bold is not a quality poster and Asad is no less than a fanatic troll that had only put the worst of all of us against him/her.  |
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Post by creature386 on Mar 31, 2014 23:50:44 GMT 5
I am able to comprehend longer post and I have already early noted that he posts a lot which is irrelevant to the points I am making. That's why I rated him as an average poster. Now I saw your debate and I am really impressed. Looks like he really only copies and pastes.
My problem was likely rather the lack of background information, that's also why I never understood the cherry picking accusation (of the data which he posts over and over again), but the small sample is likely the answer.
Lion v Tiger just got another debate where I should better stay away from. I can completely understand your problems with these parrots though. They always post a lot (it's the same over and over again) and use intelligent wording, so that uneducated people take it at face value. I know such people from YouTube. They also always have the last word in a debate.
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guategojira
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Post by guategojira on Apr 1, 2014 0:01:19 GMT 5
The “vs” debates are interesting and in the way, we can learn many things of the animals. Sadly, there are always people (trolls) that didn’t want to loose and conflict arise.
I think that most of us now, are evolving in to the next stage of “animal-love”, which is to know the animal itself without the necessity of the “vs” debate.
To be sincere, I can participate in any debate that you want, but “lion-vs-tiger” had tired me too much, there is not a final answer (just the size issue is clear up, at this moment) and it is more controversial than politics, religion or sport!!!
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Post by creature386 on Apr 1, 2014 0:19:51 GMT 5
Of course they are interesting, but they get boring after some time, you feel like everything was discussed, already.
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Post by Vodmeister on Apr 1, 2014 2:11:32 GMT 5
In many peoples minds, including my own to some extend, the goal of a debate is not to learn, but to prove the opposition that we are correct in our views.
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Post by Reticulatus on Apr 1, 2014 7:28:51 GMT 5
OVER
1.Great White-I think that some people have GWS shrines in their basements.
2.Honey Badger-he's just a little guy
3.Pantherines-all of them, competent hunters but not the mythical fighter they are built up to be.
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1.Primates-which is suprizing from a bunch of primates, hands are excellent tool and weapons.
2.Bony Fish-Top predators in so many ecosystems, yet they rarely get any time in the spotlight.
3.Constrictors-This forum is a particularly good example of this, if I had a nickel for every time someone says "snakes are poor fighter" I could buy everyone a coke.
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Post by creature386 on Apr 1, 2014 17:51:41 GMT 5
In many peoples minds, including my own to some extend, the goal of a debate is not to learn, but to prove the opposition that we are correct in our views. I remember what Ursus said in the thread about rivals. Most people rather want to persuade than give intelligent answers. But we all are like that if we are honest. |
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Post by creature386 on Jun 10, 2014 22:41:19 GMT 5
I have a discussion with Asadas at the moment and I read his discussions with others. Your description guate doesn't seem far off…
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 13, 2019 5:51:42 GMT 5
I've got a large list, but I'll do a few at a time as I think of them
Underrated
Canines: because they can't grapple. People often seem to forget a set of jaws and superior attrition threshold is just as effective, if not more so, than grappling
Jaw based predators: Similar to canines, grapplers are commonly favored against jaw based predators, but people forget that grappling can be nullified with a bite to the arm
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 13, 2019 20:57:51 GMT 5
Overrated
Badger-like animals: for reasons already stated
Cats against bears: most people think bears need a massive size advantage to win against cats; why, I do not know
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 14, 2019 17:13:37 GMT 5
Underrated:
Stegosaurs. As Infinity Blade said, those thagomizers are sort of everything you DON'T want them to be - sharp, fast spines that can land a hit quickly.
Spinosaurus. Some people seem to forget about Spino's massive size, which gives it a good chance on land against animals like Acrocanthosaurus or Tarbosaurus
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