LeopJag
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Post by LeopJag on Apr 4, 2014 9:16:04 GMT 5
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. i have bashed them but i'll say that at best i have some mixed feelings about the organization....i mean, i love animals and believe that non-human species deserve to be treated with same amount of respect and love as we treat our own (and more so when taking evil, malicious humans into account). for example, if there were a child and a dog about to get hit on a freeway - i would do what i could to try and save both. i feel really bad for all those rats, mice and so forth in laboratories who endure so much suffering and pain,, and really wish there were some solid alternative option for stuff like medical research that doesn't involve live animals. i think it's great that peta is really cracking down on and putting an end to terrible things such as the military using live goats in training exercises with that being said though i'll not become a member because they end up executing (put to sleep) many, many more adoptable dogs and cats that they seize - nearly 100% of them - than they actually save...and they believe that no one should keep any animals for companionship.. apparently they do this to "spare" them of becoming someone's "pet" and think the world should all go to the animals - hence their motto "total animal liberation". i do eat meat, eggs and dairy though, as i was brought up on it and like the taste though i believe that animals being raised for food should be treated and slaughtered as humanely and stress-free as possible,,, thus i avoid factory farm meat, eggs and dairy as much as i can. however, there was a period when i was a vegetarian... |
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Post by Vodmeister on Apr 4, 2014 10:06:18 GMT 5
To be honest, I've never been a vegan in my life. I've always been a meat eater. In that respect, I am against them. Also, why the hell are omelets always considered to be meat? More often than not, the chick is not yet alive when the egg is taken into custody.
Animals obviously deserve respect though, and I doubt you'd get any different of a response on this particular kind of forum. Sad to see that in this day and age some idiots still can't comprehend the basic fact that animals have both physical and emotional feelings too.
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Post by creature386 on Apr 4, 2014 18:46:11 GMT 5
I agree with pretty much everything here. That has obvious reason. As I am in an animal lover forum, I have watched and read many documentaries/books which were about biodiversity loss and animal cruelty. Of course I felt (and still feel) sad for these animals.
I cannot agree with what Marek said on CF about veganism being obligatory for every intelligent person. I eat no meat at the moment, but that's because of the Lent. Normally, I eat meat (but not so much). I also don't buy meat from mass factory farming.
I am definitely against forcing everyone to become a vegan. I believe it is better not to eat that much meat, but it is nothing terrible.
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LeopJag
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Post by LeopJag on Apr 6, 2014 6:37:30 GMT 5
a relevant video
@9:04 i don't agree with what he said about chickens...
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Post by Infinity Blade on Apr 6, 2014 6:53:29 GMT 5
I am probably hardly different than you guys in your beliefs. I am all for animal welfare and treating animals ethically, but I think PETA's approach to trying to get what they want can for a good amount of times be lunatic-esque.
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Post by LeopJag on Apr 16, 2014 9:45:35 GMT 5
I don't feel quite the same about invertebrates (except maybe cephalopods) but perhaps i should - it seems that insects do feel pain of some sort...i have a particular sense of compassion towards spiders (even though they creep me out to be honest...been trying to conquer my fear), bees (though not so much their relatives, the wasps) and other beneficial "bugs".
in the end though i have a respect for all living things - except for some humans.
Another video that's sorta relevant and interesting.
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Post by Fragillimus335 on Apr 17, 2014 9:50:48 GMT 5
I believe all animals deserve more respect and ethical treatment than they normally receive, especially those with higher order intelligence, e.g. mammals and birds. Although I am a diligent meat-eater, my favorite is small modern dromeosaurs…  I feel food species should be treated in ethical ways, this would spike costs, but that would help drive unsustainable meat consumption down. I value human life above other animals, if not for our intelligence, then just for the basic instinct to help my own kind. Scientific testing on animals is unpleasant but necessary, and I think well designed and spacious zoos are fine. The only animals I think shouldn't be kept captive under anything less than immaculate environments are big cats, elephants, and whales. (I believe it is impossible to humanely house orcas in current zoos) |
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Post by rock on Jul 14, 2019 18:39:34 GMT 5
seeing as peta kills a little girls puppy for no reason and kills more animals than they save , i think they are very hypocritical and have very little right to call themselves ;self rightchus vegans;
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Post by creature386 on Jul 14, 2019 18:46:24 GMT 5
It's wrong, but it's not hypocritical, as it makes sense under their bizarre ethics.
If someone preaches about the evils of eating fast-food but does it themselves out of a lack of self-discipline or out of a belief that they are too good/special to obey that rule, that's hypocrisy.
If someone thinks its wrong to kill animals for food whilst simultaneously thinking that an animal would rather be dead than owned by a human, that's bizarre ethics. Moreover, even if they suddenly declared that killing animals is fine, but "slavery" (i.e. farming, zoos, pet ownership) is wrong, they'd still be justified in opposing fur, meat, milk and so on.
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Post by rock on Jul 15, 2019 1:52:14 GMT 5
It's wrong, but it's not hypocritical, as it makes sense under their bizarre ethics. If someone preaches about the evils of eating fast-food but does it themselves out of a lack of self-discipline or out of a belief that they are too good/special to obey that rule, that's hypocrisy. If someone thinks its wrong to kill animals for food whilst simultaneously thinking that an animal would rather be dead than owned by a human, that's bizarre ethics. Moreover, even if they suddenly declared that killing animals is fine, but "slavery" (i.e. farming, zoos, pet ownership) is wrong, they'd still be justified in opposing fur, meat, milk and so on. they are telling people not to eat meat because it is so on so ;animal abuse; , yet they kill thousands of perfectly healthy dogs and cats for no reason and steals a little girls puppy and then murders it , pretty hypocritical IMO |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jul 15, 2019 16:38:14 GMT 5
Well I'm no fan of them either. They are the definition of hypocritical
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Post by rock on Jul 15, 2019 19:31:06 GMT 5
Well I'm no fan of them either. They are the definition of hypocritical i agree |
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I feel food species should be treated in ethical ways, this would spike costs, but that would help drive unsustainable meat consumption down. I value human life above other animals, if not for our intelligence, then just for the basic instinct to help my own kind.
