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Post by Venomous Dragon on Mar 27, 2016 11:04:47 GMT 5
I've actually seen a mongrel kill a rather large water monitor on youtube. Won't post it because the circumstances seemed rather shady but you can easily find it by yourself. how shady? |
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Post by Supercommunist on Mar 27, 2016 11:34:04 GMT 5
The two animals were fighting in a guy's busted up farm and the monitor looked incredibly lethargic and barely seemed to care a dog was nomming on its face. You can find it really easily on youtube should be top result.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Mar 27, 2016 12:26:16 GMT 5
The two animals were fighting in a guy's busted up farm and the monitor looked incredibly lethargic and barely seemed to care a dog was nomming on its face. You can find it really easily on youtube should be top result. Perhaps it was cold, that is typically the case when reptiles are so lethargic they can't defend themselves. |
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Apr 7, 2016 5:22:09 GMT 5
My communnications with Dr. Tim Jessop on the subject of what a large ora can weigh without supplemental food, as well as his input on the weight of adult males  this and what i've wrote earlier pretty heartily debunks claims of adult oras averaging ~20kg |
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Post by creature386 on Apr 7, 2016 12:00:17 GMT 5
To be fair, I'm not aware of anyone who claimed the 23 kg figure was for adults anyway. Auffenberg himself gave a twice as high average weight for what he called "large individuals".
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Post by theropod on Apr 7, 2016 21:17:58 GMT 5
This is from the same paper that found the 23kg average for the entire population sample from komodo: With respect to maximum body size the largest 15% of dragons on the four islands varied from a SVL length of 96.91 ± 1.19 cm and a mass of 13.5 ± 1.06 kg on Gili Motang to a SVL of 145.61 ± 0.83 cm and a mass of 66.39 ± 3.06 kg on Komodo Island (Fig. 3). This is a 33% difference in maximum SVL between Komodo and Gili Motang, with maximum mass varying by 439%. They used the average of the largest 15% of the population as a proxy for maximum size, but it also sort of fits the bill for "average for large individuals" (and fits the range from the quote posted above, so something like this is probably what was meant). Based on Galán (2004), between 44 and 60% of the population in Podarcis bocagei is comprised of adults. They excluded newly-born juveniles, but Jessop et al. made note of the fact that their capture technique didn’t adequately sample the smallest size classes either, due to their arboreality, so perhaps these figures are roughly compatible. This should give an idea of how common or rare those "large" dragons really are. ––Ref.: Jessop, Tim S., Thomas Madsen, Joanna Sumner, Heru Rudiharto, John A. Phillips, and Claudio Ciofi. 2006. Maximum body size among insular Komodo dragon populations covaries with large prey density. Oikos 112: 422–429. doi:10.1111/j.0030-1299.2006.14371.x. pdf download→Galán, Pedro. 2004. Structure of a population of the lizard Podarcis bocagei in northwest Spain: variations in age distribution, size distribution and sex ratio. Animal Biology 54: 57–75. doi:10.1163/157075604323010051. |
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Apr 7, 2016 21:35:04 GMT 5
To be fair, I'm not aware of anyone who claimed the 23 kg figure was for adults anyway. Auffenberg himself gave a twice as high average weight for what he called "large individuals". This is true, but comments of this sort( i know its old but still): is why i made my comment -- may or may not have gotten two threads on different forums mixed up, but still xD i think many people tend to believe the ~60+kg figure is unduly influenced by food as well when they read Jessop et. al, for instance, because of the lower weight figures, but hopefully my posts show that this isn't the case |
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Post by theropod on Apr 8, 2016 3:35:41 GMT 5
^Jessop et al. disregarded specimens with swollen abdomens that would suggest their measured weight would be significantly inflated by the weight of their stomach contents, so that point was never warranted. Their largest individual, in a sample of over 500, weighed in at over 81kg and measured 3.04m in length. I think that's a reliable maximum size for now, while claims of masses far in excess of 100kg that you can sometimes find are extremely dubious.
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Apr 12, 2016 10:56:40 GMT 5
yep, i was aware of this(i've made posts on carnivora on the matter) nonetheless it is good to have this content on this board as well  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 11:49:28 GMT 5
Pretty close, but Komodo can take this one with medium hard difficulty
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Post by creature386 on Nov 20, 2017 14:57:22 GMT 5
The poll result fits the my take on the match quite well.
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Post by Life on Nov 28, 2017 14:56:33 GMT 5
Komodo Dragon most likely.
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Post by swagserpent on Dec 7, 2017 9:37:16 GMT 5
I would back the Komodo usually.
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Post by An Goldish Jade on Dec 11, 2017 6:47:16 GMT 5
I favor the Dragon around parity size
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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 12, 2019 21:53:33 GMT 5
I favor the Komodo dragon, it's larger and better armed
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