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Post by Grey on Mar 25, 2013 22:25:43 GMT 5
I don't know if you were aware but a movie reboot of the original show is planned for the end of the year. www.walkingwithdinosaurs.com/dinosaurs/catalogue/It seems they have updated the informations. AT LAST, Liopleurodon is listed at its actual dimensions, though they still mention Predator X, but that's a minor issue. Tyrannosaurus, Spinosaurus, Allosaurus, Argentinosaurus and others are also present, but I don't know if all these animals will be actually featured. Note : this website is not about the movie but a new version of the BBC dinosaurs files.
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Post by theropod on Mar 26, 2013 0:40:53 GMT 5
They still didn't get the sizes of Stegosaurus or T. rex right, but at least they aren't 21 times too large but just 212 and 118% respectively.
What kind of remake will it be?
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Post by Grey on Mar 26, 2013 1:00:25 GMT 5
I did not check all the files but T. Rex is listed at 13 m, 7 tons, this is simply in the range commonly accepted, there's no point to expect absolutely precise numbers from the studies we usually read in my opinion. They were already far too optimistic with Stegosaurus at the time. Argentinosaurus is listed at 100 tons instead of the more recent 75 tons, but that's no big deal.
I don't know the plot yet, but this is a collaboration between BBC and 20th Century studios. James Cameron is apparently involved.
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Post by theropod on Mar 26, 2013 2:24:08 GMT 5
so it is a completely new production? Looking forward to see it, if nothing else it will certainly be entertaining.
Have a look at the Argentinosaurus profile, they give a lenght of 37m. While itself likely exagerated, for such a lenght 100t is no overestimate. However it definitely is when using their comparison with an elephant as a reference, because the Argentinosaurus didn’t really look any bigger than the elephant...
13m is beyond the range known for T. rex, and that is after all quite considerable for a giant theropod, at short of 10 to 12.3m for adults. Their weight figure was not flawed, the problem is that its this kind of lenght figure fanboys typically rely on; get a badly rounded lenght estimate for a big specimen based on outdated information, then take a modern restoration portraying the animal at a smaller lenght and scale it up.
PS: Just saw what they wrote about Allosaurus...sometimes being too conservative with a weight figure can be a flaw as well... but in spinos case they seemingly used the figure from Therrien&Henderson–seems like its the typical documentary-distribution of wrong facts.
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Post by Grey on Mar 26, 2013 2:51:32 GMT 5
Not wrong facts, only some debatable published suggestions. I did not pay too much attention to the scales models, they are not extremely precise but just here to give an rough idea to the public. Still more appreciable than their previous files datas and better than many scales comparisons on Carnivora.
Especially, giving to Liopleurodon its real-life measurements is somewhat of a miracle after 15 years of bullshits !
Yes it's new and planned for theaters. 2013-2014 will be years of dinos with this and the fourth Jurassic Park. Reminds me 20 years ago...
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Post by theropod on Mar 26, 2013 3:21:09 GMT 5
I wasn't alive 20 years ago, how much hype around dinosaurs was there actually? Must have been quite new at the time, i guess many hadn't even heard of them back then.
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Post by Grey on Mar 26, 2013 3:53:46 GMT 5
There was a dinomania surrounding JP's release. This is the first movie to have presented dinosaurs as fast, active, efficients, intelligent organisms, in a way people had never seen before, all of this with revolutionnary special effects and the breaking record in box office until Titanic. JP basically learned more about dinosaurs to the audience than anything before. If Velociraptor became so popular, there's a reason. Sad for you to have missed that time !
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Post by creature386 on Mar 26, 2013 16:26:54 GMT 5
Well, the sad thing is that trough such movies, creationists set dinosaurs at the same stage as other hollywood creations = a lie/movie monsters who aren't real. I find that quite sad.
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Post by Grey on Mar 26, 2013 17:32:19 GMT 5
Not really, Crichton and Spielberg have always insisted to depict the dinosaurs as animals, not monsters. Simply dangerous, poorly known animals of the past, but acting like animals. This is perhaps less respected in JPIII, but the Jurassic Park franchise have never been monster movies.
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Post by theropod on Mar 29, 2013 15:08:57 GMT 5
They didn't systematically implement that tough, otherwise that Spinosaurus hadn't automatically become the most dangerous and ferocious predator ever, and not all of the animals in the park would have been after the people... The dromaeosaurs were also really mean, Achillobator sized superkillers instead of turkey sized normal predators. Why was the whole park trying to kill the humans? Which sane animal weighting 6t would try to eat a human instead of some hadrosaur or triceratops (especially seeing they apparently cloned a lot of species if they even had a Spinosaurus)?
The JP movies are for entertainment only. I agree it would have been possible to godzillafy the animals even more (not in terms of dimensions but as far as ferocity and hunger are concerned), but they where not behaving naturally. What the film was outstanding in was never the scientific side, but the visual effects and their implementation. It was maybe the first time where the audiences could have really believed to see a real animal if they hadn't known better.
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Post by Grey on Mar 29, 2013 17:06:01 GMT 5
I'm not agreed. For the most part, the dinosaurs behaved like animals. There was magic and wonder in JP, even in the last one. Of course, the predominant aspect seen is the predatory power, but we have also view on their social relationship, their infants, the confrontation with the modern world. Of course, multi-tons predator wouldn't chase that long humans through the islands but that such carnivores would represent a danger for humans logic. You would feel pretty safe facing a T. rex ? In the The Lost World, the rexes kill humans only for the protection of the infant, territory and at the end because the buck is drugged...
Regarding Spinosaurus, Tom Holtz once said it was more likely that it chases humans than T. rex, given the size of its natural preys.
JP 3 approached the status of monster-movie (without achieve it) because of the Spino showed only as a cunning killing machine, the raptors inaccurate and far too much intelligent, even more than in the previous films, and the toothed Pteranodon, able to pull an adolescent.
But beside this : never monsters in JP and I hope JP4 will be the same...
In fact, the JP franchise is no more inaccurate than the most part of the dinos documentaries.
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Post by theropod on Mar 29, 2013 18:28:35 GMT 5
With that I can agree, even tough imo that's rather a disappointment by the documentaries than a particularly impressive feat of JP. But finally, we should not forget about what it is and how old it is.
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Post by Grey on Mar 29, 2013 19:11:21 GMT 5
I'm a bit worried about the brief "No feathers" tweet given by the director recently... Even though I'm confident this could be a very good movie.
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Post by theropod on Mar 29, 2013 20:01:11 GMT 5
No feathers? Please not... They managed to portray dromaeosaurs as extremely derived animals, far too intelligent actually, and yet they cannot show them as anything but scaly lizards?
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Post by Grey on Mar 29, 2013 20:16:19 GMT 5
Colin Trevorrow has simply written : "JP4 : no feathers".
Since, there is a conflict between fans of the all world, for and against.
The truth and problem here, is that both makes sense. - with feathers : the symbolism of the franchise which has all the time wanted to be near the real-life science. - without : continuity in the franchise (in the first two movies, there were no feathers, and in the third, just a few, and disposed in inaccurate fashion).
But we cannot say what that means since we don't know the plot yet and the reasons behind that tweet.
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