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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 19:01:14 GMT 5
Especially since their T.rex was supposed to be enourmous (wasn't it?). Perhaps this time they are actually using an average individual, something more along the lines of stan in terms of length. EDIT: The JP wiki states the one from the first film to be 43ft long, although I've read elsewhere that the model was actually 12m long. The one from the 3rd film was claimed to be 37ft and sub-adult, but since that's far too large for a subadult, maybe it's most realistic that these claims are BS, and that the T.rex in the films conforms to realistic adult sizes of the species. According to the official Jurassic World website, the Tyrannosaurus is around ~12 meters long. The old ~13+ meter figures for the original JP Tyrannosaurus seems to have been retconned, seeing as the JW Tyrannosaurus seems to be the same individual as the original JP Tyrannosaurus. Now that I look at it, I haven't seen any official source that states that JP3's Tyrannosaurus was a subadult, I think it's made up by the fans who didn't like the giant monster sailback Baryonyx killing the Tyrannosaurus. JP3' Tyrannosaurus, although I haven't exactly measured it, seems to be around ~11.5 feet tall or ~3.5 meters tall at the hips. That's roughly as tall as FMNH PR2081, CM9380, and a handful of other adult specimens.  The ~37-foot or ~11.28-meter length figure seems to be standing length. It's axial length would have been longer, possibly reaching ~12 meters, fitting JW's official length figure. It's too large to be a subadult even by JP/JW's standards. I now think JP3's Tyrannosaurus is just as large as the original JP Tyrannosaurus, it's basically just the male counterpart. Seems that JP3's monster sailback Baryonyx really is the largest JP carnivore in the entire series so far, even including JW. |
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Post by Grey on Jun 5, 2015 22:13:05 GMT 5
Depending the sources, Indominus is either 12m or 13m, in which case it would be then slightly larger than the T. rex.
I think it's a good thing their fictional theropod to be huge but not ridiculously kaijuistic either.
Broly, I ve seen a size chart clearly showing the JP3 Tyrannosaurus being at least 1m shorter than the JP and TLW specimens.
Subadult status may have been made up by the fans but it really is intended a bit smaller than the others individuals.
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Post by theropod on Jun 5, 2015 22:58:33 GMT 5
That’s odd, because if it is 37ft long, it’s actually perfectly normal, and it’s the others that are unusually large.
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Post by Grey on Jun 5, 2015 23:02:31 GMT 5
I guess the others are 13m because their size basis was from the 90's reflecting Sue highest estimates at the time. Somehow they've reconsidered that and describe the JW T. rex at 12m. But still 37 feet is 11m right, so slightly smaller than the largest individuals ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 23:04:10 GMT 5
Broly, I ve seen a size chart clearly showing the JP3 Tyrannosaurus being at least 1m shorter than the JP and TLW specimens. Subadult status may have been made up by the fans but it really is intended a bit smaller than the others individuals. Do you mean the size chart made by the guys on Jurassic Park Legacy or something similar? Like this one?They scaled them based on past, outdated estimates of certain real-life Tyrannosaurus specimens (Sue and Stan in this case) and forced them to a certain height. Not on official JP material. In fact, I haven't even seen official JP material, posters, guidebooks, whatever, that states that the female tyrannosaur was longer. Here's a poster showing JP's creatures to scale. It seems to be JP or TLW based on the skin coloration:  I may be eyeballing this, but if you ask me, using that human figure as a guide, that tyrannosaur looks pretty similar to JP3's Tyrannosaurus in size. Anyway, even if the original JP Tyrannosaurus really was larger than ~12 meters, JW pretty much retconned it such that it is now ~12 meters in length. |
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Post by Grey on Jun 5, 2015 23:57:47 GMT 5
Not this one, I refer to the official size listing of each animals in each movie when it was released. Never said the JP female was longer, it is described about the same length as the male in TLW, sexual dimorphism has never really been accounted in the franchise.
And yes whatever, they seem to have slightly updated the female length at 12m and its weight at 9 tonnes, reflecting moderns estimates. If Indominus is really 13m, then it is slightly larger than the JP female but not sure about its weight.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 0:49:07 GMT 5
Not this one, I refer to the official size listing of each animals in each movie when it was released. Never said the JP female was longer, it is described about the same length as the male in TLW, sexual dimorphism has never really been accounted in the franchise. And yes whatever, they seem to have slightly updated the female length at 12m and its weight at 9 tonnes, reflecting moderns estimates. If Indominus is really 13m, then it is slightly larger than the JP female but not sure about its weight. If it was ~13 meters. That's the length listed in it's LEGO toy descriptions IIRC. If you ask me I would take the official site over toy descriptions. About mass, it's still to be determined, but if you ask me, the Indominus seems to be, more or less, a ~6-6.5 tonne creature at ~12 meters. Scaling this up to the ~13-meter figure from the LEGO descriptions would thus give it a mass of ~7.63-8.26 tonnes. Btw, regarding JP creature sizes, I made an attempt to measure the axial lengths of JP3's creatures.  The axial length of the spinosaur is roughly around ~103.5% of it's standing length, while the axial length of the tyrannosaur is around ~101.6% of standing length. This puts the JP3 Tyrannosaurus' axial length at ~11.46 meters(~37.6 feet). So I was wrong in my earlier guess of it reaching ~12 meters. The axial length of the spinosaur ends up at ~14.5 meters(~47.6 feet), the JP3 spinosaur is actually closer to ~46 feet/~14.02 meters in standing length than the given ~43.75 feet/~13.36 meters listed for it in it's size chart. Count the little squares if you want to see for yourself. Maybe it was a typo and it meant to say "45ft 9in"?  Hah, so I was wrong about my earlier statement that JP3's Tyrannosaurus was around the size of the original JP Tyrannosaurus, but I am probably still correct that JP3's spinosaur is the largest carnivore in the JP series to date. |
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Post by theropod on Jun 6, 2015 1:18:40 GMT 5
Grey: Yes, it’s smaller than maximum. 37ft corresponds to ~11.3m, essentially the same as Hartman’s estimate for Stan. Sue was found in 1990, Stan (the next-most complete specimen) in 1987, so since the rest of their dinosaur research is also commonly compared to the late 80s (except for the giant dromaeosaurs, which were obviously at least slightly ahead of the actual science at that time, Utahraptor having been described 7 days after JP was released) it would actually have made sense for it to be the primary inspiration (albeit obviously not size-wise if any of their official figures are correct). I’m not actually sure whether there ever were such "estimates" for Sue though. The first partial description was in 1994.
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Post by Grey on Jun 6, 2015 1:31:36 GMT 5
The animatronic Spinosaurus is the largest puppet ever built for a movie anyway.
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Post by creature386 on Jun 6, 2015 1:46:14 GMT 5
(except for the giant dromaeosaurs, which were obviously at least slightly ahead of the actual science at that time, Utahraptor having been described 7 days after JP was released) it would actually have made sense for it to be the primary inspiration (albeit obviously not size-wise if any of their official figures are correct). Well, sometimes information about a spectacular finding floats around before it gets described, I don't know if one can call that "ahead of science" (otherwise, many forumers would often be ahead of science, too). It is very well possible that there was already the information that a giant dromaeosaurid was found, but it had no name which would explain why they didn't say Utahraptor (the name would surely have been cool enough) in the movie. |
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Post by blaze on Jun 6, 2015 2:04:45 GMT 5
Wow everyone beat me to the punch haha (I took way too long to post and when I did there was a completely new page).
JP3's T. rex has a shorter tail than the real deal, I've compared it to Hartman's skeletals and is actually about the same size as Sue but with longer legs and clown shows. Anyway JP lengths are standing lengths as Spino has mentioned and that probably lead to him undersizing Indominus but not by much it seems.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 11:06:39 GMT 5
It would still end up on par with MUCPv-Ch1 if ~12 meters was a standing length(~12.4-meter axial length with a similarly-sized torso using the same silhouettes used earlier). It really doesn't matter at this point whether ~12 meters is standing length or axial length - the conclusion is still unchanged, Indominus still seems to be a creature roughly in the ~6-6.5 tonne range based on the official length figure. EDIT: An attempt to approximate where the Indominus' shoulder and hip bones would have been.  |
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Post by Grey on Jun 6, 2015 12:19:34 GMT 5
I still suggest to wait for the promotionnal material which will describe more precisely Indominus. It looks a bit bigger in some shots but again there is of course the perspective at work.  |
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Post by Grey on Jun 6, 2015 12:43:17 GMT 5
Not sure if it's official but maybe Indominus is really larger :  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 14:23:16 GMT 5
Not sure if it's official but maybe Indominus is really larger : Probably not official. The lengths listed for the tyrannosaur, the stegosaur, and the Indominus in the chart don't match up with the length figures provided in any JP official material. That Tyrannosaurus is longer than any Tyrannosaurus in the JP franchise, even longer than JPOG's ~13-meter giants. I also never saw a single official source suggesting that Indominus was 15+ meters. Actually, only the trike actually matches the official length figures. JP3's trike is larger though, at around ~10.67 meters(35 feet) long. For example, JW lists it's stegosaurs at ~8.5 meters, while JP3 stegosaurs are approximately ~12.2 meters(40 feet) long.   I agree that it's best to wait for promotional material and other official supplementary material before making a final conclusion, but for now, based on the only official length figure, Indominus is a ~12-meter theropod that isn't really any larger than Tyrannosaurus, real or JP. Also, I would advice caution on using movie screenshots to determine the size stats. For example, using the close-up shots of the JP brach to estimate it's total body size is gonna give you a grossly-oversized brach. Here's some images to show what I mean, in addition to that JP size comparison poster I already posted.       |
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