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Post by theropod on Mar 8, 2014 18:42:21 GMT 5
True, it’s possible they will use a big individual of Allosaurus for the role (although afaik dinosaur films that used Allosaurus actually did so because they needed a smaller, more agile predator than T. rex), meaning one in T. rex-size range in order for it to be a worthy opponent.
Also possible that they are just going to exagerate its size, as they did with rexy in the first film (at least if that was really a 46monster they showed, it lacked the context of other giant animals to compare it to).
That head really looks very allosaurid to me.
What increased bite force? T. rex having a massive bite force has been known and verified for a long time, including various scientific works (and there actually were some truly astronomic figures among them). That they didn’t make it suceed in snapping the Spinosaurus’ neck was an inaccuracy of the movie, not a result of wrong scientific data of the time.
@derdadort: Oh, they are soooo cute!!!
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Post by Infinity Blade on Mar 8, 2014 18:46:17 GMT 5
Or maybe it's Saurophaganax or Epanterias.
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Post by Grey on Mar 8, 2014 18:52:13 GMT 5
I thought for a while the rex in the first film was a bit too large but it seems like it was not listed 46 feet after all, more like 40 feet. The rex in JP3 was 37 feet. I hope they don't make major exagerations on the animals. They bite force of T. rex at the time of the movies wasn't known as powerful as today, even Crichton in his novel described the bite force as surprisingly weak. Brian Switek explained this in an article how the new discoveries could be used for T. rex in the movie. Jurassic Park's T. rex put that impressive array of dental cutlery to work on the hapless lawyer Donald Gennaro and a fleeing Gallimimus, as well as a pair of raptors at the film's climax, but the predator had an even more formidable bite than the movie portrayed. Last year, researchers Karl Bates and Peter Falkingham announced that an adult T. rex had a bite force of almost 12,800 pounds—the most powerful estimated bite force of any terrestrial predator. Considering the damage a full-force T. rex bite would have inflicted, Jurassic Park's tyrannosaur looks as if it's being downright gentle with its prey.
Jurassic Park imagined how T. rex used its weaponry, but there is actual evidence of T. rex biting techniques in the fossil record. After T. rex made a kill or found a carcass to scavenge, it could be a delicate feeder. As Denver Fowler and colleagues presented at the annual Society of Vertebrate Paleontology meeting last fall, toothmarks on Triceratops skulls hint that T. rex had a step-by-step method of decapitating Triceratops.
Yet the destructive power of T. rex wasn't isolated in its jaws. The dinosaur's neck muscles played a major role in the carnivore's ability to kill and consume prey. In their 2007 study of T. rex feeding mechanics, Eric Snively and Anthony Russell found that the dinosaur's neck muscles were so strong that the tyrannosaur could have thrown a 110-pound chunk of meat 15 feet into the air and caught it again—a frightening ability known as "inertial feeding." Rather than shake the movie's lawyer from side to side like a dog, a real T. rex might have tossed Gennaro into the air with a flick of its neck, catching him as he fell back toward all those teeth.
news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/04/130405-jurassic-park-tyrannosaurus-rex-dinosaur-science/ |
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Post by Derdadort on Mar 8, 2014 19:10:08 GMT 5
Grey: Or it's similar to the big raptor in Jurassic Park I. Maybe some kind of queen. They also seem to have some insectoid attributes like a venomous bite and they're even laying their eggs in their victims...wtf? By the way where is the source that T.rex will be ruled out? I read the exactly opposite that it will get a major role again. Yeah, they look like an original Troodon on drugs...I would prefer the large and obviously fluffy Alaska species.
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Post by Grey on Mar 8, 2014 19:21:25 GMT 5
I have nothing against that kind of artistic license, like poisonous or somewhat parasitic behavior, which are not verified yet but could have been true in some species among the thousands that may have existed, whatever it wasn't the case in Troodon. That part brought in the Game a somewhat horrific atmosphere which, IMO, lacked in the movies (not in the novels).
But I think, as JP is primarily about big beasts, that the new badass predator will be most likely quite big. Allosaurus is a good contender, just seein the old artworks above.
I don't think they will use the video game Troodons.
I've not said T. rex will be ruled out, I may have put a typo. T. rex will be in Jurassic World, yes.
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Post by theropod on Mar 8, 2014 22:40:46 GMT 5
Those were just popular-scientific articles that blew the Bates & Falkingham paper up to be a major sensation. The value they estimated was by no means higher than had been predicted before (e.g. Rayfield 2004, not to mention Meers 2002). According to coherentsheaf, it could even be a considerable underestimate.
It has been well known for many years that T. rex could excert bone-crushing bites, based on bite marks, tooth and jaw morphology.
Those journalists are usually not very well informed. Note for example that the article claims T. rex had the most powerful bite of any land predator, when at the time a considerably greater value had been estimated for Deinosuchus riograndensis.
Portraying T. rex with weak jaws is not due to that being scientifically accepted at any time, it is simply an inaccuracy of the franchise.
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Post by Derdadort on Mar 8, 2014 23:19:42 GMT 5
I have nothing against that kind of artistic license, like poisonous or somewhat parasitic behavior, which are not verified yet but could have been true in some species among the thousands that may have existed, whatever it wasn't the case in Troodon. That part brought in the Game a somewhat horrific atmosphere which, IMO, lacked in the movies (not in the novels). But I think, as JP is primarily about big beasts, that the new badass predator will be most likely quite big. Allosaurus is a good contender, just seein the old artworks above. I don't think they will use the video game Troodons. I've not said T. rex will be ruled out, I may have put a typo. T. rex will be in Jurassic World, yes. Maybe we have a different tolerance limit here, I think I suffer a bit from the Dilophosaurus^^ Honestly the idea isn't bad, I simply can't arrange it with a very bird-like species like Troodon. I think it would fit more in "primitive" theropods like coelophysids or noasaurids. Yes, Allosaurus is also very likely, maybe with a reboot of final battle like in JP1, in this case between T.rex and Allosaurus? It would be also satisfying for the T.rex-fans, if their idol kills another big predator in the fourth movie. Looks like typo, I got that wrong, sorry. |
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Post by Apex on Mar 9, 2014 9:24:45 GMT 5
Id love Saurophaganax, Edmarka or some other large relatively unknown theropod to be in it
the artwork indicates either Allosaurus or Saurophaganax
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Post by creature386 on Mar 9, 2014 12:59:58 GMT 5
RE: Allosaurus, does anyone know how popular it is outside of the dinosaur scene? I know that it is in almost any dino book, but is it as popular as Brachiosaurus, Stegosaurus or Velociraptor (I actually doubt it, for example in cartoon episodes where it comes to dinosaurs, normally a T. rex attacks things like Brachiosaurus)? If not, it would be really great to introduce it.
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Post by Derdadort on Mar 9, 2014 13:56:22 GMT 5
Quite popular.
I think in the case of large theropods it comes right after T.rex and Spinosaurus.
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Post by Grey on Mar 10, 2014 20:33:37 GMT 5
Those were just popular-scientific articles that blew the Bates & Falkingham paper up to be a major sensation. The value they estimated was by no means higher than had been predicted before (e.g. Rayfield 2004, not to mention Meers 2002). According to coherentsheaf, it could even be a considerable underestimate. It has been well known for many years that T. rex could excert bone-crushing bites, based on bite marks, tooth and jaw morphology. Those journalists are usually not very well informed. Note for example that the article claims T. rex had the most powerful bite of any land predator, when at the time a considerably greater value had been estimated for Deinosuchus riograndensis. Portraying T. rex with weak jaws is not due to that being scientifically accepted at any time, it is simply an inaccuracy of the franchise. These rigorous studies are anterior to the first three JP movies, the last was filmed in 2000-2001, so no wonder why they didn't put this extra bite force in T. rex in the third movie, not even mentioning that Horner advised the film and suspected then T. rex to have a somewhat weak bite force. T. rex, especially in the third movie, is how Horner envisioned it, a not so powerful scavenger. Brian Switek is a talented, highly knowledgeable scientific journalist in close contact with paleontologists on social networks, regularly discussing with him. Of course, he talks about strictly terrestrial predators when he talks about T. rex most powerful bite force. In anycase, this kind of new considerations could be put in the JW movie. The 2014-2015 animal is not the same anymore than the 1989-2001 one. |
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Post by Grey on Mar 10, 2014 20:49:30 GMT 5
I have nothing against that kind of artistic license, like poisonous or somewhat parasitic behavior, which are not verified yet but could have been true in some species among the thousands that may have existed, whatever it wasn't the case in Troodon. That part brought in the Game a somewhat horrific atmosphere which, IMO, lacked in the movies (not in the novels). But I think, as JP is primarily about big beasts, that the new badass predator will be most likely quite big. Allosaurus is a good contender, just seein the old artworks above. I don't think they will use the video game Troodons. I've not said T. rex will be ruled out, I may have put a typo. T. rex will be in Jurassic World, yes. Maybe we have a different tolerance limit here, I think I suffer a bit from the Dilophosaurus^^ Honestly the idea isn't bad, I simply can't arrange it with a very bird-like species like Troodon. I think it would fit more in "primitive" theropods like coelophysids or noasaurids. Yes, Allosaurus is also very likely, maybe with a reboot of final battle like in JP1, in this case between T.rex and Allosaurus? It would be also satisfying for the T.rex-fans, if their idol kills another big predator in the fourth movie. Looks like typo, I got that wrong, sorry. There was the Cretaceous Sinornithosaurus that was suspected a time to be venomous. So, in the context of artistic license, it can be not so unreasonable IMO to put it on a Cretaceous advanced small predators. Now the Troodon in the game were intentionally horrific in their look. Just like the Tylosaurus which was showed with a pliosaurian bite force. The beast and whole aquatic sequence was quite good though. They even made it a forked tongue. I think that two new predators, a small and large (very large ?) theropod are to be expected. A mosasaur or pliosaur too. I think that the latest will appear quite impressive, marine predators under hollywoodian means are often quite badass on screen. And the classic T. rex (raptors ?) could be made with updated skills and appearance. |
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Post by Grey on Oct 5, 2014 2:45:54 GMT 5
Here's a fictionnal brochure of the new park in Jurassic World, you can see the various species in the park. Not sure if we'ss spot all of them in the actual movie but most of them is probable.  Strangely we don't see the raptors, nor the rumored predaceous hybrid... |
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Post by creature386 on Oct 5, 2014 18:20:09 GMT 5
Mosasaurus got introduced! I remember a forum where many fans wished more marine reptiles.
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Post by Grey on Oct 6, 2014 12:18:37 GMT 5
Mosasaurus got introduced! I remember a forum where many fans wished more marine reptiles. The mosasaur was announced since a long, an logical since only marine reptiles have not been represented in the movie. If they use the maximum possible size, the result will certainly be spectacular, a 15-17 m mosasaur on the big screen, that's unprecedented. I've heard that the animal in the movie will be quite shy to the audience (within the movie), hence it probably won't appear until the movie plot is advanced. |
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