Humans-omnivores or herbivores?

[creature386]

Similarly, we can discuss if humans count as predators here (why this needs to be discussed is an enigma to me, if humans were 100% scavengers or grazers, veganism wouldn't be a thing).

[rock]

Jun 20, 2019 1:28:07 GMT 5 creature386 said:

Similarly, we can discuss if humans count as predators here (why this needs to be discussed is an enigma to me, if humans were 100% scavengers or grazers, veganism wouldn't be a thing).

the orginal humans were predators not herbivores even though many vegans like to claim they were , there is more evidance to suggest the first humans were hyper carnivorus predators

www.nationalgeographic.com/foodfeatures/evolution-of-diet/


www.theguardian.com/science/2012/sep/23/human-hunting-evolution-2million-years

[rock]

this statement is wrong for many reasons i will provide some sources that says other wise


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastric_acid

ib.bioninja.com.au/options/option-d-human-physiology/d2-digestion/stomach-acid.html

www.clinicaleducation.org/resources/reviews/the-role-of-hcl-in-gastric-function-and-health/

as you can see humans have the most powerful stomach PH level out of any other animal

anyways hope this cleared this misconception up and remember spread the truth

peaceout

[dinosauria101]

Yes, probably a good idea. A lot of people say stomach acid is very low on the pH scale

[rock]

Jun 21, 2019 15:18:28 GMT 5 dinosauria101 said:

Yes, probably a good idea. A lot of people say stomach acid is very low on the pH scale

our stomach acid is atacully the highest out of all great apes having a acidic level as powerful as a lion or a wolf.

[dinosauria101]

Jun 21, 2019 15:23:47 GMT 5 rock said:

Jun 21, 2019 15:18:28 GMT 5 dinosauria101 said:

Yes, probably a good idea. A lot of people say stomach acid is very low on the pH scale

our stomach acid is atacully the highest out of all great apes having a acidic level as powerful as a lion or a wolf.

Yes, correct. Misread the title.

[creature386]

Since this is clearly related to the mic the vegan video, it belongs in this thread.

This is also my last warning to you rock. If you make yet another thread about a new proof why humans are not herbivorous, I will delete it with no comment. Use this one instead.

[creature386]

I could not move your "article" since that would break my warning, but since you put a lot of effort in it and the thread was probably already in creation while I made my last post, I will repost it here:

1:teeth 

she says that humans have no sharp teeth , which is not even true 
humans have a perfect set of teeth

human [omnivore]




chimpanzee [omnivore]




cow [herbivore]



lion [carnivore]



as you can see we have the exact same teeth as other primate omnivores like chimpanzees , also we have the same exact teeth as orangutans , monkeys and bonbos all of which are omnivores . she also said carnivores move their teeth in a side to side motion another words it just goes up and down , this is also wrong because for one humans need to grind to eat plants as well , it is not just black and white , you are a carnivore or herbivore you can be both , we call it a omnivore , also hippos which are herbivores do not grind .


2:claws 

this is wrong for many reasons , as dinosaura pointed out in the last thread [sorry if i am spelling your username wrong] check out this dinosaur that had the biggest claws out of any animal that was a herbivore.

since when is claws a sign you are a meat eater , but for more living examples lets check out this kola bear


look at its claws , and it is a herbivore

but lets see carnivores without claws





wolf [no claws just nails like humans]



hyena [no claws]


frog [no claws]

so since when do you need claws to eat meat , plus humans have their hands which are strong enough to break down chucks of fleash and rip it apart.

3:stomach acid
i have already debunked this i will send a link to the thread i posted on
theworldofanimals.proboards.com/thread/2467/busting-myth-humans-ph-level?page=1&scrollTo=39666

4:urine and salava PH 

ok so this makes a little more sense but still there are many omnivore with the same salava PH as us like pigs and chimps , does not mean you are a herbivore plus their are omnivores like bears and domestic dogs with a acadic salava and urine also foxes and coyotes.


4:ptyalan

ok , no this is again wrong! many omnivores do produce this like pigs for example



it is true this is mostly produced by herbivores however it is also produced by apes which are all omnivores , also humans are apes btw .

5:intestinal track 

wrong again , our intestinal tract is only 9 meters or 30 feet long , that would put is in the carnivore catogory to make a example cows have a intestinal tract of 110 feet or 33.5 meters and lions have a intestinal tract of 23 feet and 7 meters , also even if humans did have a long intestinal tract it is most likley need for digesting plants anyways.

link to the information from someone who is in college for studying biology
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx8y32oaFQI

6:intestinal wall

again of course humans need to have a rough intestinal wall to digest plants , also animal foods do not cause problems in our gut , because if it did meat would be banned and never again used , it is atacully the fatty things people put in the meat , for instance frying it that makes us sick , not the meat its self before 2004 everyone ate chickien nd obesity was not a problem in america because they did not fry or plump up the chickien now it is more fatty because they fat up the chickien and put testorone inside to make it grow faster which in turn leads to many fatty things inside the chickien.


7:artries 

she goes on to say if you feed a cat or a dog bacon and eggs it will be just fine but feed a human , gorilla or bunny rabbit bacon and eggs and it would get plaque on its artiries , which is wrong again , i will provide the links but dogs and cats can get this as well it is not only exulsive in herbivores.
www.petmd.com/dog/conditions/endocrine/c_multi_hyperlipidemia
www.affinity-petcare.com/en/help--my-dog-has-cholesterol
www.petmd.com/cat/conditions/endocrine/c_ct_hyperlipidemia

also many foods that are not meat have cholesterol in them for instance , fatty yougurt , cheese , fried food [which includes vegetation like french fries which are all made of potato] processed meats and desert , so its not meat as i said before it is the fatty cheese , yougurt , fried food , processed meats and deserts that are the cause of this .



8:humans have no killer insticnt 

im just gonna debunk this quick
www.independent.co.uk/news/science/human-evolution-violence-instinct-to-kill-murder-each-other-a7335491.html

as you can see humans do have killer insticnts also there are herbivores like hippos who have killer insticnt , hippos cause more death in africa then carnivores like lions , crocodiles and sharks



9:carnivores love raw meat

wrong again my friend , humans do eat raw meat , raw fish , raw beef and many other foods raw


go figure in japan they have one of the highest living populations just by mostly eating raw foods like live octopus and raw fish

oh did i forget to mention that


as you can see humans do eat live prey

it should also be mentioned that the longest living trible in africa just eats raw buffulo and drinks the blood to stay healthy , so many populations world wide eat raw meat and even blood from other animals.




10:human empathy

again , nonsense , wolves and dogs have empathy , dogs cry when their owner is gone 


and wolves cry when one of the pack members die , also the first humans did not have any empathy for animals when they were hunting , that was a learned behavior we aqurried through the years as humans became more domestic , she then goes on to say that even the biggest meat eaters do not like to think where that pig comes from i do not know about you but i can careless about where the pig came from i did not kill it so i do not care .


and that is me debunking MOO TV 10 Ways Humans are NOT natural Meat Eaters , i hope you enjoyed this article and have a good day


peaceout

[rock]

Jun 21, 2019 18:47:00 GMT 5 creature386 said:

I could not move your "article" since that would break my warning, but since you put a lot of effort in it and the thread was probably already in creation while I made my last post, I will repost it here:

thank you

[rock]

Sept 1, 2014 19:50:10 GMT 5 Infinity Blade said:

I too believe we're omnivores.

Obviously there's more to the "humans are herbivores" notion than just our physical characteristics, but I'll just weigh in on a couple arguments that pertain to this.

There's the claim that humans don't have sharp teeth, claws, or particularly large mouths. However, since Homo has/had the ability to fashion tools that aid in carcass dismemberment, anatomical structurs that fulfill the same function are quite unnecessary. Even then however, our dentition is not entirely unsuited to consuming meat. Our incisors have shearing crests that allow us to shear off a piece of food, whether it's a piece from a fruit or a piece of meat. And although our canines are reduced in size and not the fearsome fangs of say, a big cat, they still have a clear pointed morphology that allows them to puncture and tear. I think it would be accurate to describe our canines and incisors as 'generalist' in function, which is in line with omnivory.

There's also the claim that we humans can move our jaws in a lateral motion and hence masticate, something carnivores are unable to do. Well, we're not arguing that we're carnivores, we're arguing that we're omnivores. We of course need to be able to chew the plant matter in our diets. Moreover, some people have even brought up the possibility that the ability to move the jaws laterally is not as developed in humans as it is in true obligate herbivores. If true, then that too points to generalist jaw capabilities.

atacully if you look at our teeth we have pretty well balanced teeth , we just enough have sharp teeth and just enough flat teeth , our teeth serve a duel purpose for eating both plants and meat.

[Infinity Blade]

That's what I said. We have some teeth suited for grinding plant matter (molars, obviously), but we also have some teeth that allow us to puncture and tear meat, even if they're not as specialized as the teeth of carnivores.

[rock]

Jul 14, 2019 18:34:04 GMT 5 Infinity Blade said:

That's what I said. We have some teeth suited for grinding plant matter (molars, obviously), but we also have some teeth that allow us to puncture and tear meat, even if they're not as specialized as the teeth of carnivores.

i agree , they are not over done like carnivores like say a tiger or a wolf but still sharp enough to get the job done , just as our teeth are not as flat as say a horse or a cow but still flat enough to eat plant matter.

[leo]

Omnivorous, best evidence is our digestive system , we can digest fibers , proteins , carbohydrates and other things omnivores can , also our teeth , we have sharp canines (like carnivores) and flat teeth (like herbivores) , also we have a PH level of 1.3-3.5 which is the same as carnivores so if anything we are closer to carnivores than to herbivores , but we are still omnivores.

[rock]

Jul 21, 2019 5:38:52 GMT 5 leo said:

Omnivorous, best evidence is our digestive system , we can digest fibers , proteins , carbohydrates and other things omnivores can , also our teeth , we have sharp canines (like carnivores) and flat teeth (like herbivores) , also we have a PH level of 1.3-3.5 which is the same as carnivores so if anything we are closer to carnivores than to herbivores , but we are still omnivores.

i agree , if humans were desgined as either herbivores or carnivores we would not be able to obtain nutrients from plants or animals , but we can get nutrients from plants and animals , where as you can feed a cow meat its entire life and it cannot get any nutrients from the meat and will not be able to digest it , or you can feed a cat plants its entire life and it cannot digest it and will not get any nutrients from it , where as we can obtain nutrients from both plants and animals. our teeth is another good bit of evidance , we have flat teeth like a cow [herbivore] and sharp canines like a cat [carnivore]