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Post by Infinity Blade on Feb 16, 2015 1:19:42 GMT 5
Leopard-Panthera pardus Image found from here->Dire Wolf-Aenocyon dirus Colored version of a 1916 illustration by Erwin S. Christman from American Museum journal. This version was uploaded on January 14, 2021 in accordance with 2021 genetic findings. Link->
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Post by Vodmeister on Feb 17, 2015 8:41:22 GMT 5
There's seemingly not much in it in size, or do I believe in any significant physical strength difference. The dire wolf likely has the edge in stamina and bite force; while agility, retractile claws, and grappling ability goes to the leopard.
This one is very close to a 50/50 match, IMO.
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Post by creature386 on Feb 17, 2015 21:11:03 GMT 5
If Vodmeister believes this is a stalemate, the dire wolf must win.
Joke aside, I believe the comment above me sums it up well.
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Post by Vodmeister on Feb 19, 2015 6:48:39 GMT 5
if I remember correctly, the only teeth felids use as weapons in combat are their four canines (their carnassials are supposedly only for feeding). I'm still quite foggy as to whether canids use their carnassials in predation/combat, maybe someone can clear that up for me. And if they can, the wolf would certainly be biting harder there than the cat would be at its canines. Should that not be: "at its carnassials"? |
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Post by Infinity Blade on Feb 19, 2015 7:59:14 GMT 5
I meant that the canid's carnassial bite force would be higher than the felid's canine bite force.
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Post by Infinity Blade on Mar 7, 2018 6:16:50 GMT 5
Leopard wins, as long as the dire wolf isn't significantly larger. There are animals whose primary, if not sole, weapon is their mouth that I'd favor over grappling predators even at parity. But those particular examples have really big heads, and more importantly mouths, for their size (we're talking things like hyaenodontids, entelodonts, some theropods, etc.). Those mouths are big enough to make grappling head-on very dangerous (in that one arm is very liable to being bitten and disabled), even to an animal just as large as itself.
Getting bitten by a dire wolf would obviously suck, but I don't think it has the tools to win at similar weights.
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Post by marsupial on Mar 8, 2018 17:40:31 GMT 5
This fight is close. But for me, the deciding factor of the fight was that leopards have much better grappling ability which allows it to more easily control the wolf, but the wolf would still have a decent chace due to it’s powerful bite force. IMO it would be 6/10 times win for the leopard.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 12, 2019 21:14:02 GMT 5
I favor the dire wolf, it's more robust, durable, larger, and has a very deadly bite. Plus it has superior stamina
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Post by dinosauria101 on Aug 16, 2019 20:00:37 GMT 5
leorockHere is leopard vs dire wolf
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Post by arethousleepy on Aug 17, 2019 20:42:50 GMT 5
I'm gonna go with the leopard on this one. A dire wolf probably wouldn't have been much different than a regular modern day wolf. Just more robust, a little heavier and with a stronger bite.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Aug 18, 2019 9:00:11 GMT 5
I'm gonna go with the leopard on this one. A dire wolf probably wouldn't have been much different than a regular modern day wolf. Just more robust, a little heavier and with a stronger bite.How? It is significantly more robust than a grey wolf; same dimensions but 18 kg bigger Moreover, it has a 13 kg weight advantage and a proportionately larger head. Both sides have a good chance, but IMO the wolf wins this 6/10 for those reasons |
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Post by animallover on Aug 31, 2019 10:09:24 GMT 5
Hi guys!
I joined this forum yesterday and this is my first post!
I think this fight would be 50-50 with a slight edge to the leopard.
Both animals have their advantages - the wolf is equal in size, extremely durable, has powerful jaws, and amazing stamina.
The leopard is quicker, more agile, has canine teeth better designed to kill, larger limbs, and superior grappling and striking ability.
The reason why I gave the leopard a slight edge is because I think the leopard has the more important advantages.
IMO, grappling/striking ability > stamina
Nevertheless, it is a very close fight.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Aug 31, 2019 16:19:37 GMT 5
1: Both animals have their advantages - the wolf is equal in size, extremely durable, has powerful jaws, and amazing stamina. 2: The reason why I gave the leopard a slight edge is because I think the leopard has the more important advantages. 3: IMO, grappling/striking ability > stamina 4: Nevertheless, it is a very close fight. Hi animallover! Great to see another friendly face! Just would like to give some of my supporting reasons for the wolf here: 1: The dire wolf has a 13 kg size advantage actually - leopards average 55 kg, dire wolves 68 kg 2 and 3: That depends. How well can the leopard USE its advantages? 4: Agreed, very, very, very close match |
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Post by animallover on Sept 1, 2019 0:21:27 GMT 5
Hi dinosauria101! Thanks for letting me join this forum!
1. I did some research - and yes, the wolf is indeed larger. But, actually, African leopards average ~60 kg, not 55 kg.
2 and 3. I know that the wolf is bigger and stronger - but I don't think it is by a margin that would overwhelm the leopard. The reason why I think the leopard will be able to use it's advantages well is because the wolf lacks the agility to overwhelm the leopard with it's greater size, strength, and stamina. Not to mention that while the wolf is stronger overall, the leopard seems to be slightly stronger towards the front end (chest and forelimbs). This would increase the power of the leopard's strikes and it's grip while grappling.
4. Yep. But, do correct me if I got something wrong. And if you happen to find something else in favor of the wolf, please let me know!
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Post by dinosauria101 on Sept 1, 2019 14:16:28 GMT 5
Hi dinosauria101! Thanks for letting me join this forum! 1. I did some research - and yes, the wolf is indeed larger. But, actually, African leopards average ~60 kg, not 55 kg. 2 and 3. I know that the wolf is bigger and stronger - but I don't think it is by a margin that would overwhelm the leopard. The reason why I think the leopard will be able to use it's advantages well is because the wolf lacks the agility to overwhelm the leopard with it's greater size, strength, and stamina. Not to mention that while the wolf is stronger overall, the leopard seems to be slightly stronger towards the front end (chest and forelimbs). This would increase the power of the leopard's strikes and it's grip while grappling. 4. Yep. But, do correct me if I got something wrong. And if you happen to find something else in favor of the wolf, please let me know! Oh no not an issue at all. By the way, are you a member of any other animal related forums? If so, private message me. I'll fill you in over PM 1: That's actually a rather common misconception; 55 kg is a better mean for many African leopards.  www.vetdentsa.co.za/PDFs/2004-africat-vol12-annual%20exam%20page%205%20and%208.pdf2 and 3: There is another advantage I know of - robustness. The dimensions are approximately the same, yet the wolf is 13 kg heavier. That advantage in robusticity may help it both break out of the grappling and overpower its foe |
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