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Post by Grey on May 26, 2013 22:23:50 GMT 5
But it is said that the main cause of its extinction is the destruction of its preys by human arrival.
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Post by theropod on May 26, 2013 22:25:58 GMT 5
Didn't it go extinct in historical times because humans hunted its prey into extinction? Were's the info from?
EDIT: too late
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Post by Grey on May 26, 2013 22:30:12 GMT 5
 Yes, that thing can kill a man. Badass predator. |
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Post by Runic on May 26, 2013 22:32:19 GMT 5
But it is said that the main cause of its extinction is the destruction of its preys by human arrival. Yes their ARRIVAL, initially they didn't co exist. Humans hunted the eagle and the Moa, not the other way around. |
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Post by Runic on May 26, 2013 22:34:31 GMT 5
That picture is way exaggerated,  If the man wasn't using the old camera trick by standing farther from the camera, the eagle would barely be taller than his thigh. |
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Post by Grey on May 26, 2013 22:34:37 GMT 5
Okay, we were believing that you said both never met at all.
Humans hunted the eagle, but given the size, skills of the bird and secondary, the Maori legend, I wouldn't be surprised if this bird was, at the time, the most dangerous in the word for humans.
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Post by Grey on May 26, 2013 22:35:44 GMT 5
That picture is way exaggerated, Yes, that thing can kill a man. Badass predator. Yes, I realized that just after posting it. Still, even the more moderate is enough. |
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Post by Runic on May 26, 2013 22:37:13 GMT 5
I agree, this thing was the true terror of the skies.
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Post by Grey on May 26, 2013 22:40:30 GMT 5
Makes we wonder a dicussion or match up : would the Haast have been able to compete or fight the largest and most agressive pterosaurs ?
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Post by Venomous Dragon on May 26, 2013 22:45:32 GMT 5
Since this thread appears to have become about birds of prey in general I thought I would share this.
This is one ballsy lizard when you consider most lizard are scared to death of birds, the only monitor lizard i have seen braver than this one is the one that displaced a pride of lions from a buffalo kill (very comical).
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Post by Fragillimus335 on May 27, 2013 22:59:55 GMT 5
Sorry Black Ice, but I have to side on the "That cat is pretty freakin' small" side. The eagle got its ass smoked by a house cat that, at most, weighed as much as it does. A 25 lb eagle would get seriously messed up by a 200 lb cougar.
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Post by Runic on May 27, 2013 23:04:35 GMT 5
Sorry Black Ice, but I have to side on the "That cat is pretty freakin' small" side. The eagle got its ass smoked by a house cat that, at most, weighed as much as it does. A 25 lb eagle would get seriously messed up by a 200 lb cougar. The cat was still about as heavy as the eagle. I wasn't debating on whether a haasts eagle could kill a cougar. I was debating an eagle (even a male) can take out a cat the same size or slightly bigger than it. A female golden eagle would have messed that cat up worse than the male golden eagle that killed it. And wild cats are not much superior to equal sized house cats in terms of weaponry etc. |
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Post by Runic on May 27, 2013 23:07:10 GMT 5
And on an added note it was infact the house cat that got smoked as it was killed by the smaller weaker gender of golden eagle (the male). The eagle won and still managed to eat the cat and it later survived. And it wasn't even an ambush. It was a long drawn out fight that went from almost half the clearing.
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Post by Runic on May 27, 2013 23:10:20 GMT 5
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Post by theropod on May 28, 2013 0:41:48 GMT 5
That eagle cannot have been THAT badly injured if it still ate half of the cat. Yeah, it was a bit unlucky, as the articule explains it would usually have won this fight rather easily. Still, It won. The moderate-sized eagle would still be able to kill an unarmed human imo. Even a harpy could do that. I msut have misunderstood BI. of coruse, humans only came to new zealand quite late, and initially they were the invaders. That doesn't mean it couldn't have preyed on the at times. Grey: the pterosaur question is interesting; The largest of them are too disproportionally large for their weights (<500kg but as tall as giraffes with 3m skulls). While the eagle has impressive weapons, it is dwarfed. I am not sure whether it could sucessfully kill a Hatzegopteryx, even if it outmaneuvered it and got to the neck, considering this:  Pterosaurs were gigantic, even tough they were not very heavy. they were highly pneumatic, that's the only reason that skull alone doesn't weigh more than the weight estimates... And a single stab with that beak would kill even a large eagle (for comparison, that's a relatively liberal lenght for the Giganotosaurus-skull you can see below). I fear Hapargornis is outmatched agaisnt this creature. That's not a moa, its head and neck are huge. the necessity to bear the skull alone would mean the neck also had to be strong. |
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