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Post by rock on Apr 26, 2019 21:19:04 GMT 5
again you are mixing up weight with size , although the shark would be slighly larger here , i think you are underesitmating the crocodile here alot , i am not saying it would win , but i am saying that it can put up a good fight vs a great white shark . I don't think I'm underestimating the crocodile at all. This isn't a mismatch, a crocodile would be a dangerous foe indeed for the shark (and vice-versa). If you look back at my comments in this thread, you'll see I give the croc some advantages, such as a more flexible body. But there are obvious advantages for the shark, including a much greater weight and thickness at comparable lengths. How is pointing out that obvious advantage a sign of underestimating the crocodile? Like I said, the shark is not "slightly" larger than the croc, it is substantially larger. Better to rely on real pictures of actual specimens than that inaccurate artistic depiction you and others have posted. as i said before , i may favor the shark more often than not , but the crocodile has a very good chance at winning this in a shallow saltwater river |
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Post by elosha11 on Apr 26, 2019 21:22:42 GMT 5
Well I might agree with you there, as the shark would not be able to move around much, which would place it at a disadvantage. I'm still not sure a croc could inflict mortal damages on the much larger shark (assuming a very large GWS shark compared to max size croc). But it could still do great damage and maybe drive the shark off. Far more likely that a real-life encounter would occur at sea though.
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Post by rock on Apr 26, 2019 21:25:02 GMT 5
Well I might agree with you there, as the shark would not be able to move around much, which would place it at a disadvantage. I'm still not sure a croc could inflict mortal damages on the much larger shark (assuming a very large GWS shark compared to max size croc). But it could still do great damage and maybe drive the shark off. Far more likely that a real-life encounter would occur at sea though. yes i say that in deep water saltwater crocodile<great white shark in shallow water great white shark<saltwater crocodile again the winner is dependant on where the fight takes place |
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Post by elosha11 on Sept 7, 2019 7:24:42 GMT 5
Well I might agree with you there, as the shark would not be able to move around much, which would place it at a disadvantage. I'm still not sure a croc could inflict mortal damages on the much larger shark (assuming a very large GWS shark compared to max size croc). But it could still do great damage and maybe drive the shark off. Far more likely that a real-life encounter would occur at sea though. yes i say that in deep water saltwater crocodile<great white shark in shallow water great white shark<saltwater crocodile again the winner is dependant on where the fight takes place J Ok, but again I'll just note the contest would almost surely be at sea, as crocs likely wander into the ocean far more often than large GWS wander into shallow inlets. Sorry for the lengthy delay in responding.  |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Sept 7, 2019 16:42:19 GMT 5
yes i say that in deep water saltwater crocodile<great white shark in shallow water great white shark<saltwater crocodile again the winner is dependant on where the fight takes place J Ok, but again I'll just note the contest would almost surely be at sea, as crocs likely wander into the ocean far more often than large GWS wander into shallow inlets. Sorry for the lengthy delay in responding. I think the fairest contest is is water around 5-6 meters, not the open ocean |
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Post by elosha11 on Sept 7, 2019 16:53:27 GMT 5
^ Not sure about the fairest, but probably not a likely depth for an encounter IRL.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Sept 7, 2019 16:54:37 GMT 5
How far out do salties go?
I thought they avoided very deep water
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Post by elosha11 on Sept 7, 2019 16:58:20 GMT 5
Well, they have been actually known to be in deep ocean water for many hours, although I agree it's probably not their preference. They sometimes cross from island to island still near shore, but with way deeper water than 5-6 meter. In fact, going out into that deep water was where natives stated GWS would sometimes prey on American crocs in Columbia when they tried to island hop. In fact that may be one reason they instinctively avoid really deep water.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Sept 7, 2019 17:01:03 GMT 5
Yes, it may very well be!
A great white could just ambush from underneath, then game over.
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Post by elosha11 on Nov 26, 2019 1:24:48 GMT 5
I don't think we have a separate sharks/crocodiles interaction thread but this is very interesting and cuts back against the notion that bull sharks are always afraid of large crocs. Here's this MUCH smaller bull shark attacking and scaring a much larger croc (likely hoping the croc would drop its fish meal) and doing it easily with speed and stealth. The croc appeared completely unaware of the shark's presence. Now imagine a great white shark 2-3 times heavier than the croc, hitting it underwater like this. There's no reason to believe this wouldn't be a common predatory interaction if the GWS decided to feed on the croc, and the results, for the croc, would not be pretty.
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Post by 6f5e4d on Nov 26, 2019 2:48:00 GMT 5
The great white shark can bite much harder than the saltwater crocodile, and is probably more maneuverable, so the largest extant hypercarnivore fish can dominant the largest extant reptile.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Nov 26, 2019 8:07:42 GMT 5
Stronger bite?
I agree the GWS wins this on average due to weight advantage, but why would it have more bite force? The crocodile would bite a lot harder due to muscles and jaw morphology
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Post by 6f5e4d on Nov 26, 2019 9:01:42 GMT 5
Okay, maybe not bite force but at least it still has the maneuverability.
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Post by elosha11 on Nov 26, 2019 19:40:17 GMT 5
Crocs bite harder, GWS may have larger bite volume and their teeth cut better, crocs' bite crushes better. However, both can crush and cut. One word on weight, the shark is substantially heavier not only at max lengths, but also at same lengths. A 15 foot GWS will be significantly heavier and thicker than a 15 foot croc, and that continues up and down the length spectrum.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Nov 26, 2019 20:38:52 GMT 5
To be fair however, thise fight is a close one at max - 7 meters and ~2 tonne saltie vs 6 meter, 2.5 tonne shark
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