Saltwater Crocodile vs Great White Shark

[Bujang Senang]

Jan 9, 2020 16:33:12 GMT 5 elosha11 said:

@bujang Senang, now I'm sure you are benko2015 from carnivora. I've already responded to much of what you posted just now, in our earlier conversations on this very thread, around 2 years ago. I'm glad you now can finally admit that the picture of the shark in the shallow water is a sand tiger shark. Can you also acknowledge now that sand tiger sharks don't come close to approaching 15 feet long, and that the evidence of "ripples" is about as weak evidence of a shark croc interaction as anything could be? As I said before, I'd definitely favor a croc over a sand tiger, but this account is apropos to nothing. There's not even evidence of bite marks.

None of the evidence you post, has much to do with GWS. The Australia account you used to rely on is a laughable fake, as shown earlier in this thread. What we do know is that they've been known to kill American crocs. And we know they are far larger than the largest crocs, faster, and more at home in the type of ocean environment the animals would likely meet in.

I'll address your other points when I have the time.

I'm not benko2015 from carnivora, but it does not matter because all crocodile-shark interaction accounts that he used were originally found by me. 

Yes, sand tigers do not reach a 15-foot length (although I personally did not defend the original description). Also, the second photo of this shark was originally described on Facebook as "a bull shark killed by a crocodile”, so we can conclude that the point that it was a "15-foot tiger shark" was just speculated by one of at least two tourists. But if the possible trace (the crocodile couldn’t just disappear, right?) on the water surface correspond to the width of the saltie's back, we most likely still have an account with interaction between approximately same sized crocodile and shark. This is better than the local-based Medem's mention of great white shark attacks on American crocs near Fuerte Island, where (even if crocs were adults and the locals didn’t exaggerate or reinterpret something) the difference in size was most likely very significant.

What Australian account did you mean? Strange (most likely photoshopped) photo from Chinese forums, with an even stranger description from unknown source, which looks like a English translation through an old Google translator? I am surprised that someone else is still discussing this thing. If accounts claiming that “10 ft crocodile kills a 7 ft shark”, "crocodile kills 1000-pound bull shark", "crocodiles are known to kill sharks close to their own size" and etc have little to do with the Great white sharks, why does the account describing that “Great white sharks attacks American crocodiles in Columbia” which has no details, and comes from a less reliable source (words of locals) than some of my accounts, have something to do with salties?

[Bujang Senang]

Jan 10, 2020 0:12:34 GMT 5 Ceratodromeus said:

Meet Krys

This is not Krys.

An old photograph showing a relatively large crocodile is frequently shared on social media accompanied by the caption: “The only known photograph of the 28-foot crocodile that was killed in Queensland, Australia in 1957”:


This is a genuine photograph of a crocodile. However, it was not 28 feet long, nor was it killed in 1957. This photograph was actually taken decades earlier and shows a crocodile of undetermined size that appears larger due to forced perspective.



The picture was likely taken in 1914 along the banks of the Roper River in the Northern Territory of Australia. While we have yet to find the original source of this picture, we did find a scan of it that seemingly shows its original caption: “Miss Cross and Mr Joynt near crocodile, Roper River 1914, CMS Hart Collection, Darwin.”



We’ve reached out to the National Library of Australia and the Northern Territory Archives Service and will update this article if more information becomes available.



The original caption does line up with other information we were able to find about R.D. Joynt, a reverend who did missionary work in the early 1900s in Australia and published a short book in 1918 about his expeditions entitled “The Roper River Mission.” We were not able to find much information about “Miss Cross.”



While we have been unable to find any information regarding this crocodile’s specific size, it’s very unlikely that it was 28 feet long. For one, there’s never been a crocodile recorded at this size. The current largest, living crocodile in captivity is an 18-foot Australian saltwater crocodile (Crocodylus porosus) named Cassius. The previous record holder was “Lolong,” who died in 2013 and measured more than 20 feet in length.



The Guinness Book of World Records notes that the aforementioned species of crocodile can grow to more than 7 meters (nearly 23 feet) in the wild:



The largest species of crocodilian in the world is the estuarine or saltwater crocodile (Crocodylus porosus), which ranges throughout the tropical regions of Asia and the Pacific, including the northern coast of Australia. Average adult sizes for male and female C. porosus are 4.6–5.2 metres (15–17 feet) and 3.1–3.4 metres (10 feet 2 inches–11 feet 1 inch), respectively, with outsize males occasionally achieving 6 metres (19 feet 8 inches) or, on rare occasions, even 7 metres (22 feet 11 inches). One of these really large males may weigh as much as 1,000–1,200 kilograms (2,204–2,645 pounds), also making these animals the heaviest reptiles.



The crocodile in the above-displayed photograph may also appear larger than it actually is thanks to an optical illusion known as “forced perspective.” The two people in this photograph are likely standing a few feet behind the crocodile. Because they are further from the camera, they appear smaller in the frame. This makes the crocodile in the foreground appear unusually large. We’ve covered several other examples of “forced perspective” photographs over the years.



This photograph does not show a 28-foot-long crocodile that was killed in Australia. However, the accompanying caption — “The only known photograph of the 28-foot crocodile that was killed in Queensland, Australia in 1957” — wasn’t made up out of thin air.



In 1957, Krystina Pawlowski shot and killed a crocodile that was reportedly 28 feet long. While stories about this near-mythical-sized beast are popular in Australia, the size of this crocodile has never been confirmed and still draws skepticism from researchers.



Adam Britton, a zoologist who specializes in crocodiles, wrote in 2010:



I’ve never counted “Krys” because it’s just a story — there’s no evidence at all to back it up, and it just seems so far outside the maximum possible range for this species that I’d need some pretty solid evidence to believe it. That’s why it never appears in any official statistics.



A “life-size” replica of this 28-foot-long crocodile, nicknamed “Kris,” can be seen in the town of Normanton in Queensland:


Photo by: Auscape/Universal Images Group via Getty Images


No photographs of this alleged 28-foot-long crocodile exist, which is probably why the viral claim was attached to an unrelated image from 1914.

www.snopes.com/fact-check/28-foot-crocodile-killed-australia-1957/

[dinosauria101]

^Yes, as I said the perspective in that image is heavily forced

[Ceratodromeus]

Jan 10, 2020 18:17:54 GMT 5 Bujang Senang said:

Jan 10, 2020 0:12:34 GMT 5 Ceratodromeus said:

Meet Krys

This is not Krys.

An old photograph showing a relatively large crocodile is frequently shared on social media accompanied by the caption: “The only known photograph of the 28-foot crocodile that was killed in Queensland, Australia in 1957”:


This is a genuine photograph of a crocodile. However, it was not 28 feet long, nor was it killed in 1957. This photograph was actually taken decades earlier and shows a crocodile of undetermined size that appears larger due to forced perspective.



The picture was likely taken in 1914 along the banks of the Roper River in the Northern Territory of Australia. While we have yet to find the original source of this picture, we did find a scan of it that seemingly shows its original caption: “Miss Cross and Mr Joynt near crocodile, Roper River 1914, CMS Hart Collection, Darwin.”



We’ve reached out to the National Library of Australia and the Northern Territory Archives Service and will update this article if more information becomes available.



The original caption does line up with other information we were able to find about R.D. Joynt, a reverend who did missionary work in the early 1900s in Australia and published a short book in 1918 about his expeditions entitled “The Roper River Mission.” We were not able to find much information about “Miss Cross.”



While we have been unable to find any information regarding this crocodile’s specific size, it’s very unlikely that it was 28 feet long. For one, there’s never been a crocodile recorded at this size. The current largest, living crocodile in captivity is an 18-foot Australian saltwater crocodile (Crocodylus porosus) named Cassius. The previous record holder was “Lolong,” who died in 2013 and measured more than 20 feet in length.



The Guinness Book of World Records notes that the aforementioned species of crocodile can grow to more than 7 meters (nearly 23 feet) in the wild:



The largest species of crocodilian in the world is the estuarine or saltwater crocodile (Crocodylus porosus), which ranges throughout the tropical regions of Asia and the Pacific, including the northern coast of Australia. Average adult sizes for male and female C. porosus are 4.6–5.2 metres (15–17 feet) and 3.1–3.4 metres (10 feet 2 inches–11 feet 1 inch), respectively, with outsize males occasionally achieving 6 metres (19 feet 8 inches) or, on rare occasions, even 7 metres (22 feet 11 inches). One of these really large males may weigh as much as 1,000–1,200 kilograms (2,204–2,645 pounds), also making these animals the heaviest reptiles.



The crocodile in the above-displayed photograph may also appear larger than it actually is thanks to an optical illusion known as “forced perspective.” The two people in this photograph are likely standing a few feet behind the crocodile. Because they are further from the camera, they appear smaller in the frame. This makes the crocodile in the foreground appear unusually large. We’ve covered several other examples of “forced perspective” photographs over the years.



This photograph does not show a 28-foot-long crocodile that was killed in Australia. However, the accompanying caption — “The only known photograph of the 28-foot crocodile that was killed in Queensland, Australia in 1957” — wasn’t made up out of thin air.



In 1957, Krystina Pawlowski shot and killed a crocodile that was reportedly 28 feet long. While stories about this near-mythical-sized beast are popular in Australia, the size of this crocodile has never been confirmed and still draws skepticism from researchers.



Adam Britton, a zoologist who specializes in crocodiles, wrote in 2010:



I’ve never counted “Krys” because it’s just a story — there’s no evidence at all to back it up, and it just seems so far outside the maximum possible range for this species that I’d need some pretty solid evidence to believe it. That’s why it never appears in any official statistics.



A “life-size” replica of this 28-foot-long crocodile, nicknamed “Kris,” can be seen in the town of Normanton in Queensland:


Photo by: Auscape/Universal Images Group via Getty Images


No photographs of this alleged 28-foot-long crocodile exist, which is probably why the viral claim was attached to an unrelated image from 1914.

www.snopes.com/fact-check/28-foot-crocodile-killed-australia-1957/

RIP

[setsurinvich]

Jan 9, 2020 13:09:18 GMT 5 Bujang Senang said:

Jan 6, 2020 18:33:30 GMT 5 dinosauria101 said:

If - and this is a big IF - the Orissa saltie was really 7 meters and 2 tonnes, that would make for a close and interesting match with Deep Blue - maybe 6/10 for DB.

As far as I know Deep Blue it's just a ~6-meter great white shark that seems to be pregnant. Without extra weight she is unlikely to weigh much more than 2 tons. Thus, the weight difference with a 7-meter crocodile will be insignificant, although I would say that a 7-meter crocodile should weigh about 1700-1800 kg rather than 2000 kg. Also, Deep Blue seems pretty docile. In any case, I did not see any aggression on her part.

There are stories of an almost 6m crocodile in a Chinese zoo named Xiao he that is 1250 kg, so pretty sure it is possible for a 2000 kg 7 meter long crocodile

[dinosauria101]

Feb 16, 2020 6:41:45 GMT 5 setsurinvich said:

Jan 9, 2020 13:09:18 GMT 5 Bujang Senang said:

As far as I know Deep Blue it's just a ~6-meter great white shark that seems to be pregnant. Without extra weight she is unlikely to weigh much more than 2 tons. Thus, the weight difference with a 7-meter crocodile will be insignificant, although I would say that a 7-meter crocodile should weigh about 1700-1800 kg rather than 2000 kg. Also, Deep Blue seems pretty docile. In any case, I did not see any aggression on her part.

There are stories of an almost 6m crocodile in a Chinese zoo named Xiao he that is 1250 kg, so pretty sure it is possible for a 2000 kg 7 meter long crocodile

You are correct. Scaling that to 7 meters gets just under 2 tonnes.