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Post by elosha11 on Jan 9, 2020 16:33:12 GMT 5
@bujang Senang, now I'm sure you are benko2015 from carnivora. I've already responded to much of what you posted just now, in our earlier conversations on this very thread, around 2 years ago. I'm glad you now can finally admit that the picture of the shark in the shallow water is a sand tiger shark. Can you also acknowledge now that sand tiger sharks don't come close to approaching 15 feet long, and that the evidence of "ripples" is about as weak evidence of a shark croc interaction as anything could be? As I said before, I'd definitely favor a croc over a sand tiger, but this account is apropos to nothing. There's not even evidence of bite marks.
None of the evidence you post, has much to do with GWS. The Australia account you used to rely on is a laughable fake, as shown earlier in this thread. What we do know is that they've been known to kill American crocs. And we know they are far larger than the largest crocs, faster, and more at home in the type of ocean environment the animals would likely meet in.
I'll address your other points when I have the time.
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Post by Grey on Jan 9, 2020 17:02:31 GMT 5
If - and this is a big IF - the Orissa saltie was really 7 meters and 2 tonnes, that would make for a close and interesting match with Deep Blue - maybe 6/10 for DB. As far as I know Deep Blue it's just a ~6-meter great white shark that seems to be pregnant. Without extra weight she is unlikely to weigh much more than 2 tons. Thus, the weight difference with a 7-meter crocodile will be insignificant, although I would say that a 7-meter crocodile should weigh about 1700-1800 kg rather than 2000 kg. Also, Deep Blue seems pretty docile. In any case, I did not see any aggression on her part. DP has been observed several times and she's always fat so I doubt pregnancy is the only reason for her girth. An individual will simply have its body mass vary a lot depending on its actual health and diet. And of course, it will be more potent as a foa at his heaviest. Exceeding 2 tonnes for a 6 m GWS would not be exceptional. Males are less bulky than females yet Apache was almost 2 tonnes at 5.5 m. DP appears to be docile but accounts of similar-sized GW acting very agressively do exist, agressive enough to leave damages on a fishing boats. |
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Post by elosha11 on Jan 9, 2020 17:17:42 GMT 5
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jan 9, 2020 18:29:39 GMT 5
If - and this is a big IF - the Orissa saltie was really 7 meters and 2 tonnes, that would make for a close and interesting match with Deep Blue - maybe 6/10 for DB. What about Kris? What is Kris? A GWS or Saltie? |
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Post by kekistani on Jan 9, 2020 20:59:39 GMT 5
What is Kris? A GWS or Saltie? Giant saltie |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jan 9, 2020 21:29:01 GMT 5
What is Kris? A GWS or Saltie? Giant saltie Depends on its mass, then. If it's similar sized to Deep Blue, it would be around 50/50 |
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Post by kekistani on Jan 9, 2020 22:03:00 GMT 5
Depends on its mass, then. If it's similar sized to Deep Blue, it would be around 50/50 Was about 8 meters and 2 tonnes IIRC |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jan 9, 2020 22:06:04 GMT 5
Depends on its mass, then. If it's similar sized to Deep Blue, it would be around 50/50 Was about 8 meters and 2 tonnes IIRC Wasn't that from a forced perspective where the hunters backed up to make it look bigger? |
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Post by kekistani on Jan 9, 2020 22:09:54 GMT 5
Was about 8 meters and 2 tonnes IIRC Wasn't that from a forced perspective where the hunters backed up to make it look bigger? That's a quote from the hunters, not from the photo. IDK if that photo is even Kris. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jan 9, 2020 22:14:27 GMT 5
Whatever it is, I think it would be a good fight
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Jan 10, 2020 0:12:34 GMT 5
 Meet Krys |
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Jan 10, 2020 0:39:35 GMT 5
Just in case it isn't buried here someplace, over in "Carnivora" blog site, on this same topic, there is posted a study showing that a salt water crocodile off the coast of Australia will chase off large sharks including even the biggest great whites. I've never once seen that study posted at all, what an ambiguous thing to bring up. This is the only real thing that i've come across in the past couple of years regarding saltwater crocodiles and large shark interactions published in the literature Apex predatory sharks and crocodiles simultaneously scavenging a whale carcass
AbstractScavenging is an important component to the overall ecology of consumers in virtually all ecosystems on Earth. Given the energetic benefts of foraging on these resource subsidies, opportunistic predators will adjust their behaviors accordingly to maximize access. One of the many consequences of large-scale scavenging opportunities is species interactions that are rarely observed in nature. Here we describe the frst published record of predatory sharks (tiger sharks, Galeocerdo cuvier) and saltwater crocodiles (Crocodylus porosus) foraging together in space and time, as documented on a large whale carcass of Western Australia. We report on and discuss the behaviors of the sharks and crocodiles in the hope of shedding new light on the interactions between apex predators that are rarely seen together, but may overlap under specifc contexts. "Behavior (2) on the rorquals occurred once, and during this event a tigers shark made brief contact with the crocodile, appearing to splash the water with its tail, likely in an effort to deter the crocodile from the region (ESM1, 0:28 s). After this interaction, the shark quickly abandoned the region, after which the crocodile buried its head into the cavity of the whale, presumably in an efort to fnd more desirable pieces of flesh (ESM1). Afterwards, the crocodile used its front legs to climb on to the pectoral fn where it remained for~ 1 min to either rest or avoid detection by tiger sharks." "In addition to the sharks and crocodiles in this study appearing not to feed from the same location on the whale simultaneously, we also did not observe any repeated interspecifc agonistic interactions or indications of dominance hierarchies from our limited sample (except for the one
instance when the tiger shark splashed with its tail). Crocodiles have been observed killing smaller sharks (e.g., bull sharks, Carcharhinus leucas) in narrow estuaries and rivers where they may have the advantage, and there is even some evidence for juvenile sharks being chemically aware of
crocodiles (Rasmussen and Schmidt, details within Nifong and Lowers 2017). Alternatively, there is some evidence of an adult crocodile having been killed by sharks (Nifong and Lowers 2017). Our observations suggest adult tiger sharks and saltwater crocodiles can scavenge the same food source simultaneously with few or no agonistic interactions. How often these situations arise is unknown, as is the response of crocodiles when the number of sharks on the carcass start to increase (there could be more sharks at discrete coastal sites with signigicant tidal fow, since oils and sensory cues from the carcass travel widely)." Emphasis mine. |
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Post by kekistani on Jan 10, 2020 2:00:16 GMT 5
Meet Krys So that is krys? |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jan 10, 2020 2:08:15 GMT 5
Yeah...........deffo forced perspective. Those people are way too far back.
Nonetheless still pretty good size. I think Krys would be the closest matchup.
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Jan 10, 2020 15:16:31 GMT 5
Meet Krys So that is krys? It is indeed |
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