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Post by Grey on Aug 19, 2013 16:17:10 GMT 5
Yes vodmeister I had noted the more territorial/aggressive behavior of the croc in the contest and don't argue it has no chances at all, depending of a number of factors. My only doubt is the killing apparatus of the croc, not used to engage a larger, predatory foe itself known to engage and kill powerful preys items bigger than itself (bull sea elephant, pilot whales, baleen whales calves...).
I would also place Liopleurodon slightly above the great white : formidable predatory apparatus known to have cut in half good sized preys items like ichthyosaurs, something salties cannot do, and size range slightly exceeding the size range of the white shark.
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Post by Runic on Sept 12, 2013 0:04:24 GMT 5
Yes vodmeister I had noted the more territorial/aggressive behavior of the croc in the contest and don't argue it has no chances at all, depending of a number of factors. My only doubt is the killing apparatus of the croc, not used to engage a larger, predatory foe itself known to engage and kill powerful preys items bigger than itself (bull sea elephant, pilot whales, baleen whales calves...). I would also place Liopleurodon slightly above the great white : formidable predatory apparatus known to have cut in half good sized preys items like ichthyosaurs, something salties cannot do, and size range slightly exceeding the size range of the white shark. I find that logic kinda flawed. The whole crocodile jaws vs shark jaws that attack bigger animals thing. Big cats and dogs use their jaws to attack animals crocodile can't normally attack, does that mean their jaws are more effective at fighting larger predators than a crocodile? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 0:59:47 GMT 5
The shark wins. I don't see the Crocodile's armor helping with the teeth that the shark holds:  |
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Post by Runic on Sept 25, 2013 3:28:18 GMT 5
Nvm.
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Post by Grey on Oct 4, 2013 23:54:16 GMT 5
Yes vodmeister I had noted the more territorial/aggressive behavior of the croc in the contest and don't argue it has no chances at all, depending of a number of factors. My only doubt is the killing apparatus of the croc, not used to engage a larger, predatory foe itself known to engage and kill powerful preys items bigger than itself (bull sea elephant, pilot whales, baleen whales calves...). I would also place Liopleurodon slightly above the great white : formidable predatory apparatus known to have cut in half good sized preys items like ichthyosaurs, something salties cannot do, and size range slightly exceeding the size range of the white shark. I find that logic kinda flawed. The whole crocodile jaws vs shark jaws that attack bigger animals thing. Big cats and dogs use their jaws to attack animals crocodile can't normally attack, does that mean their jaws are more effective at fighting larger predators than a crocodile? Hum, big cats and dogs at first use pack hunting (lions) and/or specific tactics to subdue their larger preys. Then their jaws may be very powerful (cats) these jaws are much smaller than the jaws of a large croc or a large shark. At last, I'm not convinced that a lone felid usually subdues preys larger than a large croc can take of its own. |
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Post by Runic on Oct 5, 2013 1:06:26 GMT 5
I find that logic kinda flawed. The whole crocodile jaws vs shark jaws that attack bigger animals thing. Big cats and dogs use their jaws to attack animals crocodile can't normally attack, does that mean their jaws are more effective at fighting larger predators than a crocodile? Hum, big cats and dogs at first use pack hunting (lions) and/or specific tactics to subdue their larger preys. Then their jaws may be very powerful (cats) these jaws are much smaller than the jaws of a large croc or a large shark. At last, I'm not convinced that a lone felid usually subdues preys larger than a large croc can take of its own. Cats and wolves have shown they are more than capable of tackling prey far larger than them solo. The jaw analogy still holds merit. |
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Post by theropod on Oct 5, 2013 16:31:56 GMT 5
Lone felids are far smaller than large crocodiles, so it's not surprising they may not take animals bigger than the latter. relativ e to their size, felines are known from subduing very large prey, larger than what crocodiles take.
Anyway, I don't see the relevance here, since (A) the ability to subdue large prey is not directly correlated to the ability to take another predator or similar-sized animal and (B) the shark actually outweighs the croc by a factor of 2 or more. I wouldn't want to bet on which has the more dangerous jaws at parity, since that's situation-dependant, but it's certainly not surprising a great white shark has more potent jaws than a crocodile twice smaller than it.
Even if the crocodile was a big-prey specialist regularly taking animals outweighing it significantly, I still wouldn't give it very good chances (albeit better than one that isn't)
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Feb 27, 2016 12:10:52 GMT 5
Bumping this thread, because i've come across stuff i need to get verified by other people; everyone knows that infamous saltie v great white shark picture yes?  well to me this looked edited in some way, photoshop i guess, so i decided to dig around for the citation that this photograph allegedly came from. now if i've read this right, the citation is for Gerard Wood's 'Guiness book of animal facts and feats'(1983), the page number this screenshot cites appears to be #256. i do hate to be the bearer of bad news here, but we're looking at a blank page..  i looked at the citation in the first screenshot for a nauseating amount of time, so if anyone thinks i've got it wrong, please let me know so i can track down the thing if i am. all in all though, i think this is it.. |
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Post by creature386 on Feb 27, 2016 14:55:53 GMT 5
Ceratodromeus, I'm for some reason unable to see your picture.
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Feb 27, 2016 23:01:59 GMT 5
Ceratodromeus, I'm for some reason unable to see your picture. the last one? well, this is the point -- sorry bout that should have been more specific, but i was showing the page of the book that this photograph was allegedly from is just blank. posting a screenshot of the blank page may not have been the way to go though  |
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Post by creature386 on Feb 28, 2016 0:10:13 GMT 5
Sorry, I guess I read too fast because I overlooked that part of your comment. Having understood your comment now, I can only add that I can't help you. |
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Post by Infinity Blade on Feb 28, 2016 0:54:52 GMT 5
Anyone remember TheROC's long post on this topic back on Carnivora that he made not too long ago?
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Post by creature386 on Feb 28, 2016 1:06:57 GMT 5
Let's just archive it here: carnivoraforum.com/topic/9350157/29/#post8771981I cannot really comment on it (probably because I am not so much into animal combat anymore), so I'll say that it is probably a good description of parity scenarios. |
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Post by Infinity Blade on Feb 28, 2016 1:14:12 GMT 5
I think it's a pretty interesting and good assessment.
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Feb 28, 2016 3:49:08 GMT 5
well, it looks like the picture is fake..
and yes, TheRoc's post is pretty solid by all accounts.
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