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Post by theropod on Jun 2, 2013 1:23:50 GMT 5
I believe that the Kodiak bear would kill the dragon. Brown bears are extremely powerful omnivores. By the time that Megalania's venom takes effect, the big lizard will be dead. The bear will likely die soon after. -my opinion. The venom in dragon bites seems to act very quickly, but it is just of augmentive use anyway. The bite alone would be deadly too. Especially because of the venom, the bite would quickly cause shock. apart from that, the mechanical damage would be tremendous, considering it has a pretty huge skull and extremely effective slicing dentition. I highly doubt any animal subequal in size would still fight after being bitten. Water buffalo, when bitten by komodo dragons 10 times smaller, don't fight back either, for their flexor tendons are usually severed and at the same time they are bleeding out and falling into shock. The same effect would be many times stronger with an animal that is actually smaller than Varanus priscus. |
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Post by Grey on Jun 2, 2013 9:23:05 GMT 5
I love bears but I have to recognize that the mega-monitor would have more chances due to the horrific combination of weaponry, more stable position.
Most of the time it takes this. With luck or experience, the Kodiak could take it but even so, like pointed earlier, the massive wounds and venom would finish the job even after the lizard is killed.
Now, was the monitor really reaching the size of Kodiak ?
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Jun 2, 2013 10:08:13 GMT 5
Megalania skull  Ora skull  for comparison |
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Post by creature386 on Jun 2, 2013 13:09:36 GMT 5
Now, was the monitor really reaching the size of Kodiak ? DM made that fight at parity. |
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Post by theropod on Jun 2, 2013 13:56:33 GMT 5
I think I know what coherentsheaf will post, and I agree with him; Megalania would easily reach the size if a kodiak bear, rather exceed it.
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Post by Vodmeister on Jun 3, 2013 0:11:52 GMT 5
In all honesty, I believe that the Kodiak would decimate the Megalania in a raw brawling contest.
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Post by Runic on Jun 3, 2013 0:17:49 GMT 5
In all honesty, I believe that the Kodiak would decimate the Megalania in a raw brawling contest. Except this won't turn into a brawl as one bite would evicerate the Kodiaks limb. |
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Post by Vodmeister on Jun 3, 2013 0:29:10 GMT 5
The Bear is both faster on land and has greater stamina than the Lizard, so I'm not sure if it could even land a bite.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Jun 3, 2013 1:35:51 GMT 5
The Bear is both faster on land and has greater stamina than the Lizard, so I'm not sure if it could even land a bite. this isnt a great big iguana, monitor lizards have superior stamina to all other lizards, more than enough to see this fight through, The explosiveness and raw power of the lizards attack pretty much nulifies any speed advantage. |
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Post by coherentsheaf on Jun 5, 2013 14:30:28 GMT 5
I think I know what coherentsheaf will post, and I agree with him; Megalania would easily reach the size if a kodiak bear, rather exceed it. Yes, at least one specimen currently assigned to V. priscus would considerably exceed any extant terrestial predator. Even by rather conservative estimates this animal would top a tonne. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 7:48:04 GMT 5
It would be nearly even
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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 12, 2019 21:47:32 GMT 5
Megalania wins, it's far too big
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Post by all on Sept 20, 2019 20:52:50 GMT 5
I'm actually going to take larger estimate of Megalania. some scientist believe it is 3.5 m. Some 5.5-7.5 meters. They all seem to agree that meglania was about up to about 500-550 kg. I believe that this is a correct number. If you seen Vertebra of megalania in comparison with monitor lizard reaching about 1-1.5 meters You would know why I choose this number. largest examples of megalania are not less than that.
Kodiak bear still outweighs megalania because largest examples are up to 680 kg.
In my opinion this would be relatively close fight. Megalania wins.
Megalania has an entire row of serrated teeth. Each at least as large as bear's canine teeth. Megalania actually has very weak bite for its size but that does not really matter. It does not crush its prey like crocodile or large cat or dog would. It cuts more like a sow. You don't need a lot of crushing force to cut with a sow you just need a little puling power which megalania has. when Komodo dragons fight each other they use their claws but only do minimum damage because of their tough hide. Kodiak bears claws are huge but it would still require couple of hits to do serious damage.
Megalania has claws on its own too. And there is venom. No megalanias' venom is not anywhere close to strength of inland taipan's venom. The LD50 of inland taipan is 0.025 mg/kg. However I do agree that as far as the chemical responsible for drop of blood pressure in megalania's venom might be stronger than that of the taipan but I don't know enough about this particular part of taipan's venom to really say. However as you probably know megalania's venom also stops the blood from clotting so wound won't heal easily and victim will continue to bleed.
Kodiak bear is a powerhouse on its own with very powerful upper body and back muscles. Many of bears' muscles are arranged in a way that there is lots of fasciles ( bundles of fiber) in each individual muscle. strong jaws and huge claws.
Nonetheless Megalania can probably do more damage to to the bear then bear to it. Megalania can give one or two bites to the bear and simply move away. Megalania is probably little bit slower. But we are not talking about a race we are talking about who can evade the others attack and get to the opponent as quickly as possible. If bear comes for megalania from the rear megalania has a tail to protect itself. Tail of large Varanid can actually inflict a lot of damage. When megalania comes at the bear from the rear bear has less protection and megalania can go for limbs to deliver lots of damage it does not have to get the vital organs.
Bear stands on two legs when it fights. that gives him an ability to go from the top and have gravity behind it. But if megalania is smart it can swipe it right off bear's feet.
Overall i think it would be a close fight but megalania wins in most cases.
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Post by elosha11 on Sept 20, 2019 22:12:30 GMT 5
^I really appreciate the effort you are putting into your posts on these match ups.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Sept 20, 2019 22:28:07 GMT 5
elosha11Who do you think wins here? As I said, I think this is an easy win for Megalania due to size, durability, and weaponry
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