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Post by prehistorican on Oct 25, 2017 18:34:11 GMT 5
Hmmm, these seem to be resident killer whales, so do residents also attack whales? |
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Post by creature386 on Oct 25, 2017 18:40:04 GMT 5
Nvm, I forgot that there is a difference between resident and transient. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_whale#TypesIf we restrict ourselves to orcas known to take on whales, the maximum known to me are the 29 whales who attacked that subadult blue whale. |
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Post by prehistorican on Oct 25, 2017 18:52:48 GMT 5
Nvm, I forgot that there is a difference between resident and transient. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_whale#TypesIf we restrict ourselves to orcas known to take on whales, the maximum known to me are the 29 whales who attacked that subadult blue whale. Interesting, so residents do take on whales then. How would you think this fight would go with say, eight transients or twenty nine residents as you said above versus the nineteen plus meter, exceeding 100 ton Megalodon specimen? |
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Post by creature386 on Oct 25, 2017 19:34:39 GMT 5
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Post by prehistorican on Oct 25, 2017 19:52:15 GMT 5
Interesting, they could probably take down the Megalodon, what do you think? |
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Post by creature386 on Oct 25, 2017 20:56:50 GMT 5
Yeah, it would be possible. It would take very long though.
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Post by prehistorican on Oct 25, 2017 23:13:10 GMT 5
Yeah at least 24 hours since it is 3 times as big as the subadult blue whale, even if the orca's 5cm teeth could cut through the 0.3-0.6m hide, or considering the Megalodon doesn't flee.
I think what would be an interesting (but unlikely) scenario would be the Megalodon rushing the pod from below, make a severe breach attack into the center of the pod, then quickly rush back just underneath the orca's max dive/fighting range depth. Then it repeat a couple of times, until weakening the pod far enough so it can finish them off. If the Megalodon considers the orca pod as a threat, and gets pissed off enough, it will slaughter them without eating their bodies, giving it enough time to kill as many as possible in a short amount of time. Similar to how some great whites attack/kill/destroy other creatures/decoys not because they are hungry, but because of violated territorial space.
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Post by Life on Oct 26, 2017 17:29:39 GMT 5
Are you talking about some guys on YouTube? It's been a long time since I've taken such people seriously. Anyway, I had the subadult blue whale in mind as well while writing the last post. But in all fairness, the fight against the blue whale was not a fight to the death. It could very well be that they simply got tired from chasing it (of course, a blue whale cannot kill an orca the way a Megalodon could, but still). Is this actually a fight to the death like in AVA scenarios or can it end if the orcas give up? Unfortunatley people on Quora as well. One dude said "that orca's ancestors killed Megalodons" (note that I was talking about this exact specimen over 19m and 100 tons). Another "zoologist" said that six of them could kill a large/ maximum Megalodon. One person even said 15 orca could "easily" dispatch a maximum sized Megalodon and "every other apex predator that ever swam the oceans".It's everywhere man, even in the Meg series (but to be fair it is fiction an the Megalodons are underweighted in mass) the author writes "even 7-8 orcas could kill a shark like Angel". Angel is a 22.6m Megalodon which grew past normal length due to living in captivity with plentiful food. There is no friggin way orcas could kill a fictional Megalodon like that, just shows you the hype around orcas. Hell even regular people think that 7-8 orcas could take down a Megalodon this big. IMO an absolute minimimum of 18 transients to kill a Meg this big. Also guys, what is the largest transient pack ever witnessed? Some people even say that "great white skin is bullet-resistant (5 centimeters thick)". So a female Megalodon's hide is twice as thick as normal (protection during mating) and so it's hide must be I think 0.3-0.6meters thick. Can you provide a link? I will post my response there and see how it goes. Yeah, it would be possible. It would take very long though. Hypothetically, yes. However, unlike a baleen whale, Megalodon can fight back and kill a number; I see the pod giving up or Megalodon managing an escape. |
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Post by prehistorican on Oct 26, 2017 20:51:19 GMT 5
Unfortunatley people on Quora as well. One dude said "that orca's ancestors killed Megalodons" (note that I was talking about this exact specimen over 19m and 100 tons). Another "zoologist" said that six of them could kill a large/ maximum Megalodon. One person even said 15 orca could "easily" dispatch a maximum sized Megalodon and "every other apex predator that ever swam the oceans".It's everywhere man, even in the Meg series (but to be fair it is fiction an the Megalodons are underweighted in mass) the author writes "even 7-8 orcas could kill a shark like Angel". Angel is a 22.6m Megalodon which grew past normal length due to living in captivity with plentiful food. There is no friggin way orcas could kill a fictional Megalodon like that, just shows you the hype around orcas. Hell even regular people think that 7-8 orcas could take down a Megalodon this big. IMO an absolute minimimum of 18 transients to kill a Meg this big. Also guys, what is the largest transient pack ever witnessed? Some people even say that "great white skin is bullet-resistant (5 centimeters thick)". So a female Megalodon's hide is twice as thick as normal (protection during mating) and so it's hide must be I think 0.3-0.6meters thick. Can you provide a link? I will post my response there and see how it goes. Yeah, it would be possible. It would take very long though. Hypothetically, yes. However, unlike a baleen whale, Megalodon can fight back and kill a number; I see the pod giving up or Megalodon managing an escape. Agreed the orcas must be very desperate if they want to take on something this large and deadly. If they don't go after large bull sperm whales how are they (Transient orca pod) really going to fare against a shark nearly twice as massive and magnitudes more deadly? |
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Post by prehistorican on Oct 26, 2017 20:52:15 GMT 5
Unfortunatley people on Quora as well. One dude said "that orca's ancestors killed Megalodons" (note that I was talking about this exact specimen over 19m and 100 tons). Another "zoologist" said that six of them could kill a large/ maximum Megalodon. One person even said 15 orca could "easily" dispatch a maximum sized Megalodon and "every other apex predator that ever swam the oceans".It's everywhere man, even in the Meg series (but to be fair it is fiction an the Megalodons are underweighted in mass) the author writes "even 7-8 orcas could kill a shark like Angel". Angel is a 22.6m Megalodon which grew past normal length due to living in captivity with plentiful food. There is no friggin way orcas could kill a fictional Megalodon like that, just shows you the hype around orcas. Hell even regular people think that 7-8 orcas could take down a Megalodon this big. IMO an absolute minimimum of 18 transients to kill a Meg this big. Also guys, what is the largest transient pack ever witnessed? Some people even say that "great white skin is bullet-resistant (5 centimeters thick)". So a female Megalodon's hide is twice as thick as normal (protection during mating) and so it's hide must be I think 0.3-0.6meters thick. Can you provide a link? I will post my response there and see how it goes. Yeah, it would be possible. It would take very long though. Hypothetically, yes. However, unlike a baleen whale, Megalodon can fight back and kill a number; I see the pod giving up or Megalodon managing an escape. And what link do you need? |
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Post by Life on Oct 28, 2017 0:40:35 GMT 5
Can you provide a link? I will post my response there and see how it goes. Hypothetically, yes. However, unlike a baleen whale, Megalodon can fight back and kill a number; I see the pod giving up or Megalodon managing an escape. And what link do you need? Quora based. |
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Post by Infinity Blade on Oct 28, 2017 1:03:25 GMT 5
So...I'm not the only one who thinks people need to calm down about orcas a bit?
I remember someone arguing on Carnivora that O. megalodon would not be able to defend itself with flippers and tail flukes like baleen whales can, putting it at a disadvantage against orcas (since these are not weapons, the orcas can attack there while shark cannot really respond). What do you guys think of this?
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Post by Life on Oct 28, 2017 1:45:13 GMT 5
So...I'm not the only one who thinks people need to calm down about orcas a bit? I remember someone arguing on Carnivora that O. megalodon would not be able to defend itself with flippers and tail flukes like baleen whales can, putting it at a disadvantage against orcas (since these are not weapons, the orcas can attack there while shark cannot really respond). What do you guys think of this? That does not makes sense. Megalodon doesn't needs to utilize its tail flukes and flippers as weapons against orcas; ramming and biting will do. |
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Post by Infinity Blade on Oct 28, 2017 5:58:28 GMT 5
So...I'm not the only one who thinks people need to calm down about orcas a bit? I remember someone arguing on Carnivora that O. megalodon would not be able to defend itself with flippers and tail flukes like baleen whales can, putting it at a disadvantage against orcas (since these are not weapons, the orcas can attack there while shark cannot really respond). What do you guys think of this? That does not makes sense. Megalodon doesn't needs to utilize its tail flukes and flippers as weapons against orcas; ramming and biting will do. Here's exactly what it said. Reading it again just made me realize something: it's as if they think the Megalodon will simply just let the orcas reach its flanks and attack it. A Megalodon can turn around to effectively face orcas, can't it? |
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Post by Life on Oct 28, 2017 18:27:48 GMT 5
That does not makes sense. Megalodon doesn't needs to utilize its tail flukes and flippers as weapons against orcas; ramming and biting will do. Here's exactly what it said. Reading it again just made me realize something: it's as if they think the Megalodon will simply just let the orcas reach its flanks and attack it. A Megalodon can turn around to effectively face orcas, can't it? Orcas surround their prey in order to make sure that it doesn't escape or make it difficult for them to attack it. They are not bullet-fast in their movements. This strategy is good for trapping a baleen whale but it doesn't bite or does it? Point is that a huge marine animal can be surprisingly fast for its size, depending upon its biological characteristics. Not only is Megalodon expected to have a streamlined body shaped like a torpedo, it possibly had a 'skin structure' that would facilitate its movements and agility, and a recent research is advancing the notion that Megalodon was endothermic (Ferrón, 2017). It represents the APEX of shark evolution in history. References journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0185185www.livescience.com/10279-mako-shark-scales-tight-turns.html |
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