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Post by dinosauria101 on Apr 7, 2019 16:02:29 GMT 5
I think wearing it down with hit and run attacks seems to be their best bet. Even then, that may not work.
I change my opinion. More are needed
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Post by elosha11 on Apr 10, 2019 23:29:51 GMT 5
Do you know any accounts of orcas attacking whale sharks? Just curious, because I’ve failed to find any in the past, even though I would expect this to happen occasionally. Far from a full grown adult, yes, but there..apparently the male orca killed it(I guess it's safe to say the shark didn't survived that) himself That is the first known footage I'm aware of for an orca predation on a whale shark. I can't tell the relative sizes, but the male orca looks much bigger and longer, so I'd guess this whale shark is around 5 meters and the orca appears to be 7-8 meters long. Someone on here or on carnivora posted some historical account of two male orcas preying on a presumably full grown whale shark. I've seen that account several times over the years. Edit - I note that the article also mentions other recorded orca predations on whale sharks off California coast. |
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Post by Life on Apr 11, 2019 1:24:26 GMT 5
That is the first known footage I'm aware of for an orca predation on a whale shark. I can't tell the relative sizes, but the male orca looks much bigger and longer, so I'd guess this whale shark is around 5 meters and the orca appears to be 7-8 meters long. Someone on here or on carnivora posted some historical account of two male orcas preying on a presumably full grown whale shark. I've seen that account several times over the years. Edit - I note that the article also mentions other recorded orca predations on whale sharks off California coast. That account is of 2 x killer whales chasing and killing an 8 meters long whale shark in a span of hours, if I remember correctly. Whale shark's skin is not easy to breach, and large individuals can take lot of punishment. |
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Post by sam1 on Apr 11, 2019 1:26:16 GMT 5
I think I may have posted that account(could not find it again) with 2 male orcas and a whale shark but can't remember correctly. I do remember that the stated whale shark length figure was 8m though, so apparently still not quite an adult.
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Post by prehistorican on Apr 11, 2019 6:45:13 GMT 5
Based on the 8m size, 8^3/12.65^3 x 21.5t = 5.44 tonnes. That's not very massive, comparable to the size of an individual orca.
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Post by sam1 on Apr 11, 2019 11:41:23 GMT 5
Based on the 8m size, 8^3/12.65^3 x 21.5t = 5.44 tonnes. That's not very massive, comparable to the size of an individual orca. Still would make it very hard for a single orca to prevent the shark from diving down. At least that's how I see it. Makes sense that two orcas did the job there. |
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Post by prehistorican on Apr 12, 2019 1:01:30 GMT 5
I agree it’s not a surprising outcome of 2 male orcas killing a filter feeding orca-sized shark. What else would anyone expect? For the whale shark to fight back with its teeth?  . Flee with its slow filter feeding non macropredatory physique? Lol. Something of note would be a single orca killing an animal significantly/noticeably larger and/or with teeth/jaws able to mortally wound an orca. |
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Post by theropod on Apr 12, 2019 2:09:12 GMT 5
I agree it’s not a surprising outcome of 2 male orcas killing a filter feeding orca-sized shark. What else would anyone expect? For the whale shark to fight back with its teeth? . Flee with its slow filter feeding non macropredatory physique? Lol. Something of note would be a single orca killing an animal significantly/noticeably larger and/or with teeth/jaws able to mortally wound an orca. Well in case you are not aware of those (though I have posted them before), there are records of single orcas killing humpback and grey whales, though for sure those are freak occurrences equivalent to single tigers killing elephants. Also, large whales are by no means defenseless prey, a right whale can reportedly kill an orca with a tail slap. May I suggest that this fixation on how "impressive" some prey item is is unconstructive? A record of predation by a predator on a taxon not previously or commonly witnessed is always a scientifically relevant observation, whether you find it particularly impressive or not. It’s funny how half the times predation events (especially, but not limited to orcas) get posted here, they get picked apart because some people don’t find them "impressive" enough. |
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Post by sam1 on Apr 12, 2019 3:00:36 GMT 5
I agree it’s not a surprising outcome of 2 male orcas killing a filter feeding orca-sized shark. What else would anyone expect? For the whale shark to fight back with its teeth? . Flee with its slow filter feeding non macropredatory physique? Lol. Something of note would be a single orca killing an animal significantly/noticeably larger and/or with teeth/jaws able to mortally wound an orca. Well, this here is a definitive illustration of the thick headed shallow perception I always sensed you have. You indeed are fixated on bitting and teeth and can't see beyond that. You just don't get it, despite of my repeated attempts to make you think. Even after I repeatedly mentioned DIVING DOWN as the most blatsntly obvious, logical and basic defensive mechanism ..it still doesn't ring a bell to you. Heck I even posted a whole thread(a 100 great white sharks predation on a blue whale hypothesis ) to try making you rethink your "impressive" predatory mantra..a thread that left you without any argument. But no. Serves me right for expecting too much from a megalodon nut fanboy. |
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Post by prehistorican on Apr 12, 2019 3:42:57 GMT 5
I agree it’s not a surprising outcome of 2 male orcas killing a filter feeding orca-sized shark. What else would anyone expect? For the whale shark to fight back with its teeth? . Flee with its slow filter feeding non macropredatory physique? Lol. Something of note would be a single orca killing an animal significantly/noticeably larger and/or with teeth/jaws able to mortally wound an orca. Well, this here is a definitive illustration of the thick headed shallow perception I always sensed you have. You indeed are fixated on bitting and teeth and can't see beyond that. You just don't get it, despite of my repeated attempts to make you think. Even after I repeatedly mentioned DIVING DOWN as the most blatsntly obvious, logical and basic defensive mechanism ..it still doesn't ring a bell to you. Heck I even posted a whole thread(a 100 great white sharks predation on a blue whale hypothesis ) to try making you rethink your "impressive" predatory mantra..a thread that left you without any argument. But no. Serves me right for expecting too much from a megalodon nut fanboy. Of course and after all this with your amazing idea of how C. megalodon can’t keep up pursuit for a short burst even with a dolphin even though if you compare a bottlenose dolphin to a white shark their burst speeds are similar. You can call me a “nut” and a “fanboy” but ironically that is indeed what you are, projecting your simple minded insults at others. Not only that with absolutely hilarious analogies might I add. “Who runs faster a hippo or chicken”? The hippo sprints at 19mph while the chicken can only sprint at 9mph.  
Trying to compare a dolphin to a large shark and then a hippo to a chicken? LMAO! Not only that “slower than a Greenland whale?” The whale is almost twice as slow at burst speed.   “Rip it’s fin off” Quite an easy task and “the battle is over?” Right? And no I was not thinking of the Livyatan being able to stop the shark from diving down I consider it too unlikely. Calling a bulky reconstruction “completely nonfunctional” etc (of course in YOUR opinion). Also the superior speed and agility? Where from? Any oxygen isotopes to support that? I’ve always known your passive aggressive posts but I’d never think even you would stoop so low to resorting to insults. Absolutely pathetic and a comedic post of yours indeed.  |
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Post by sam1 on Apr 12, 2019 4:00:52 GMT 5
Well, this here is a definitive illustration of the thick headed shallow perception I always sensed you have. You indeed are fixated on bitting and teeth and can't see beyond that. You just don't get it, despite of my repeated attempts to make you think. Even after I repeatedly mentioned DIVING DOWN as the most blatsntly obvious, logical and basic defensive mechanism ..it still doesn't ring a bell to you. Heck I even posted a whole thread(a 100 great white sharks predation on a blue whale hypothesis ) to try making you rethink your "impressive" predatory mantra..a thread that left you without any argument. But no. Serves me right for expecting too much from a megalodon nut fanboy. Of course and after all this with your amazing idea of how C. megalodon can’t keep up pursuit for a short burst even with a dolphin even though if you compare a bottlenose dolphin to a white shark their burst speeds are similar. You can call me a “nut” and a “fanboy” but ironically that is indeed what you are, projecting your simple minded insults at others. Not only that with absolutely hilarious analogies might I add. “Who runs faster a hippo or chicken”? The hippo sprints at 19mph while the chicken can only sprint at 9mph. Trying to compare a dolphin to a large shark and then a hippo to a chicken? LMAO! Not only that “slower than a Greenland whale?” The whale is over twice as slow at burst speed. “Rip it’s fin off” Quite an easy task and “the battle is over?” Right? And no I was not thinking of the Livyatan being able to stop the shark from diving down I consider it too unlikely. Calling a bulky reconstruction “completely nonfunctional” etc (of course in YOUR opinion). Also the superior speed and agility? Where from? Any oxygen isotopes to support that? I’ve always known your passive aggressive posts but I’d never think you’d stoop so low to resorting to insults. Absolutely pathetic and a comedic post of yours indeed. Sigh, alright, I see what's going on here..you're just not intellectually up there. See, the reason why I asked about the hippo and a chicken is actually the COMPLETE OPPOSITE from what you interpreted. The faster hippo is a megalodon, and a slower chicken is the dolphin, you genius. And the hippo will NOT catch the chicken on a straight line pursuit, because the chicken will simply TURN. And the hippo will have a mighty hard time catching it at all because the chicken is far too agile and can run circles around it. How about that. And you're calling ME hilarious. 😅 The irony..I'm done wasting my time with you, seriously, could reply to many other idiotic nonsense you brought up in that last reply too but it would not make any difference. |
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Post by prehistorican on Apr 12, 2019 4:08:32 GMT 5
Of course and after all this with your amazing idea of how C. megalodon can’t keep up pursuit for a short burst even with a dolphin even though if you compare a bottlenose dolphin to a white shark their burst speeds are similar. You can call me a “nut” and a “fanboy” but ironically that is indeed what you are, projecting your simple minded insults at others. Not only that with absolutely hilarious analogies might I add. “Who runs faster a hippo or chicken”? The hippo sprints at 19mph while the chicken can only sprint at 9mph. Trying to compare a dolphin to a large shark and then a hippo to a chicken? LMAO! Not only that “slower than a Greenland whale?” The whale is over twice as slow at burst speed. “Rip it’s fin off” Quite an easy task and “the battle is over?” Right? And no I was not thinking of the Livyatan being able to stop the shark from diving down I consider it too unlikely. Calling a bulky reconstruction “completely nonfunctional” etc (of course in YOUR opinion). Also the superior speed and agility? Where from? Any oxygen isotopes to support that? I’ve always known your passive aggressive posts but I’d never think you’d stoop so low to resorting to insults. Absolutely pathetic and a comedic post of yours indeed. Sigh, alright, I see what's going on here..you're just not intellectually up there. See, the reason why I asked about the hippo and a chicken is actually the COMPLETE OPPOSITE from what you interpreted. The faster hippo is a megalodon, and a slower chicken is the dolphin, you genius. And the hippo will NOT catch the chicken on a straight line pursuit. It will have a mighty hard time catching it at all because the chicken is far too agile and can run circles around. How about that. And you're calling ME hilarious. 😅 The irony..I'm done wasting my time with you, seriously, could reply to many other nonsense you brought up in that last reply too but it would not make any difference. Exactly what I expected from someone of your caliber... Nothing more and nothing less, just pure comedy and nothing of substance... That doesn't even matter the hippo is twice as fast when you claim at the same time the dolphin will be faster AND on top of that more agile. The hippo-chicken analogy does not work for this situation. And of course Einstein it's obvious as daylight that the C. megalodon is actually the hippo and the dolphin is the chicken, still not a related analogy. And yes it is ironic with all your projected insults and aggressive complex. Good luck, don't waste your time (but of course keep on replying with your pea brained insanely idiotic nonsense, and waste your time further as you have already done)! Keep resorting to more insults and aggressive posts I'm sure that will prove your point!  |
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Post by prehistorican on Apr 12, 2019 4:19:18 GMT 5
I agree it’s not a surprising outcome of 2 male orcas killing a filter feeding orca-sized shark. What else would anyone expect? For the whale shark to fight back with its teeth? . Flee with its slow filter feeding non macropredatory physique? Lol. Something of note would be a single orca killing an animal significantly/noticeably larger and/or with teeth/jaws able to mortally wound an orca. Well in case you are not aware of those (though I have posted them before), there are records of single orcas killing humpback and grey whales, though for sure those are freak occurrences equivalent to single tigers killing elephants. Also, large whales are by no means defenseless prey, a right whale can reportedly kill an orca with a tail slap. May I suggest that this fixation on how "impressive" some prey item is is unconstructive? A record of predation by a predator on a taxon not previously or commonly witnessed is always a scientifically relevant observation, whether you find it particularly impressive or not. It’s funny how half the times predation events (especially, but not limited to orcas) get posted here, they get picked apart because some people don’t find them "impressive" enough. Alright makes sense and will consider that, any size estimates of the humpback and grey whales? Any sources you could post? Would be pretty nice. Also, what exactly counts as a "large" whale. A 15m 20? tonnes fin whale has been called "large" by the media and reports could the whales be smaller than an adult (possibly?). I haven't seen any orca predation accounts recently (other than the ones currently listed), sorry. |
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Post by sam1 on Apr 12, 2019 4:33:03 GMT 5
..I hope the rest of you posting on here see who the passive aggressive one actually is.
I was genuinely just trying to speak sense here, at no point being biased or in any form provoking..the mentally challenged meg fanboy here kept bringing up the premise of impressive, reacting as if this is some kind of bragging contest and as if I'm trying to glorify orcas or something.
He's just deluded and lost. And has serious trouble comprehending and reading posts (nowhere I said dolphins are faster than megalolodon, for example. Nowhere I said Livyatan needs to prevent meg from diving down, even repeatedly and explicitly stating that it's about whale shark and orcas actually, did not get to him) Too much dreaming about sea monsters maybe.
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Post by prehistorican on Apr 12, 2019 6:02:40 GMT 5
Predictable. You responded almost exactly as I expected Truly a lost cause, stooping down to insults the most famous of his: "fanboy" "*insert something* to say UR dUmb HaHaH*" In summary the recent previous posts of his seem to boil down to : "hAh yOu DiSaGrE WitH mE, So YOu ArE a fAnBoY and aLsO YOu ArE duMb aNd I'M smArt" My past posts have information which I don't have the same opinion on anymore from being more informed about, and yes "impressive" is an incorrect term. But then again what person just insults others he disagrees with?Keep on painting yourself as the one with more "sense", something you don't seem to have instead of explaining and not assuming maybe everyone doesn't understand the train of thought of a conclusion, just keep on insulting and lying. Keep trying to hide the bias and keep on being triggered you nut. |
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. Flee with its slow filter feeding non macropredatory physique? Lol. Something of note would be a single orca killing an animal significantly/noticeably larger and/or with teeth/jaws able to mortally wound an orca. 
