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Post by Life on Dec 17, 2019 16:37:35 GMT 5
I have seen similar lizards up close. One even infiltrated my house. Thankfully, birds were around and they helped in chasing it away.
Do not let its seemingly clumsy movements fool you. These lizards can move really fast and attack you in an instant (i.e. swift attacking potential), and they are really really strong. They are also known to employ their powerful tails like a swinging weapon to shatter bones of a potential enemy.
They have a powerful bite and can easily breach skin of large animals, let alone that of humans.
And their own skin is really tough; not easy to bite through and/or suffocate.
I choose Komodo Dragon in this contest. It is a formidable macropredator and has history of killing animals far larger than itself. This thing is built to dominate.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 17, 2019 16:59:04 GMT 5
1: Leopard is far quicker, 2: far more agile, 3: has far better body control 4: and stamina 5: and is a far more capable grappler. What Komodo has going for it is size, durability and venom. Honestly, given that both these animals would lack experience in mutual conflict, 6: I see leopard dominating the fight, outmaneuvering the lizard and killing it with a skull bite, but likely getting bitten in the process. Still going with the cat. 1: Have you ever seen how fast Komodos can be? 2: That may be, but how well can it dodge the Komodo's continuous, explosive attacks? 3: What makes you say that? 4: False. Due to their gular pump system, Komodo dragons have canine-like stamina levels, and significantly more than the leopard who, being a felid, has very bad stamina. 5: While that may or may not be true, do not count the Komodo out - they are quite decent grapplers themselves, often doing it in intraspecific conflict. 6: You sure the leopard can do it without having taken a bite (well, most of the time anyway)? |
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Post by sam1 on Dec 17, 2019 21:25:08 GMT 5
..I hope I don't have to further explain why leopard is leagues above the lizard when it comes to speed, agility, reflexes and body control.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 17, 2019 21:28:43 GMT 5
It may have a bit to somewhat of an edhge, but LEAGUES above? Isn't that a bit much?
And that's not to mention the leopard's bad stamina; it will tire quickly, and if it doesn't get in a good attack fast enough then that's game over
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Post by sam1 on Dec 17, 2019 22:42:08 GMT 5
..how can you watch these videos and conclude that it's "a BIT to SOMEWHAT" of an edge, is beyond me.
It is indeed leagues and beyond kind of difference.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 17, 2019 22:47:56 GMT 5
In all fairness, it IS subjective. Supporters of different animals would have differing opinions.
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Post by sam1 on Dec 18, 2019 0:55:59 GMT 5
In all fairness, it IS subjective. Supporters of different animals would have differing opinions. What are you talking about?! Can a komodo dragon perform anything remotely comparable to those feats? It is FACTUAL that Leopard is leaps and bounds beyond Komodo dragon in all aspects of mobility. FACT 1: Leopard's top speed ~ 60km/h Komodo dragon's top speed ~ 20km/h FACT 2: Leopard's maximum vertical leap ~ 3m Komodo dragon's maximum vertical leap - unable to comply FACT 3: Leopard's maximum horizontal leap ~ 6m Komodo dragon's maximum horizontal leap - unable to comply FACT 4: Ability to jump straight up from a standing position : Leopard - yes Komodo dragon - no FACT 5: Ability to jump sideways: Leopard - yes Komodo dragon - no FACT 6: Abitly to use front legs for striking and grappling independently from establishing full body contact: Leopard - yes Komodo dragon - no Conclusion: No it is NOT subjective that Leopard is beyond comparison more capable animal in all aspects of mobility and body control. It is actually the very opposite from subjective - an irrefutable, objective, and obvious FACT. |
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Post by sam1 on Dec 18, 2019 1:26:45 GMT 5
..ad for the supposed reptile's superior stamina..any evidence?
Or maybe a footage of 2 komodos fighting with anything remotely comparable to the prolonged intensity and force of two leopards furiously unleashing onto each other?
Honestly, that the lizard leads the voting 5:1 atm is a major facepalm.
The dragon might have scored a phyric post fight draw due to envenomation effects, but would've been absolutley dominated during the actual fight.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 18, 2019 2:11:46 GMT 5
In fairness, you do have a point that the leopard is superior in these categories. HOWEVER, that does not mean as much as you may think. Running ability, horizontal leaping ability, and vertical leaping ability will be of very little (if any use at all) here. As for jumping sideways, the only advantage that may have is the leopard outflanking the Komodo, which I doubt it can do without getting bitten. As for grappling, true, you have a point. But in exchange, the Komodo has a bigger, non-precision oriented set of jaws with serrated teeth and venom, which would devastate the leopard's forelimb (or anywhere else it bites, for that matter). This is what you would want to know about their stamina: thewire.in/science/komodo-dragon-genome-mappingUnder this exact same logic, I could say Komodos are far superior to leopards because leopards cannot cripple an animal over 10 times larger than them with 1 bite, nor do they kill such prey on a regular basis if at all. |
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Post by sam1 on Dec 18, 2019 2:49:54 GMT 5
In fairness, you do have a point that the leopard is superior in these categories. HOWEVER, that does not mean as much as you may think. Running ability, horizontal leaping ability, and vertical leaping ability will be of very little (if any use at all) here. As for jumping sideways, the only advantage that may have is the leopard outflanking the Komodo, which I doubt it can do without getting bitten. As for grappling, true, you have a point. But in exchange, the Komodo has a bigger, non-precision oriented set of jaws with serrated teeth and venom, which would devastate the leopard's forelimb (or anywhere else it bites, for that matter). This is what you would want to know about their stamina: thewire.in/science/komodo-dragon-genome-mappingUnder this exact same logic, I could say Komodos are far superior to leopards because leopards cannot cripple an animal over 10 times larger than them with 1 bite, nor do they kill such prey on a regular basis if at all. A expected, the article you linked tells nothing about superior stamina compared to the leopard..it speaks about impressive stamina *for a reptilian *. Heck they even used a "mammalian like" term for describing it. Context, always keep context in mind. And you're really not imagining the engagement realistically and you terribly underestimate the leopard and his overal athleticism, quickness and reflexes if you think they would not be of use..they would provide critical advantages in a fight. The issue here is that the dragon may appear as an indestructible tank compared to the leopard to a superficial eye..but the reality is that of massive limitations that the leopard would EASILY exploit. Komodo may rush in towards the cat but the leopard is simply able to stay on top and control it; it has the reflexes, speed, claws and paw strikes to turn the tables quickly. Before the komodo would process what happened, it would find itself wrapped from behind with leopards fangs pressing into its skull and spine. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 18, 2019 3:11:39 GMT 5
Maybe that was not the best article. This may be better: www.researchgate.net/publication/12943317_Contribution_of_Gular_Pumping_to_Lung_Ventilation_in_Monitor_LizardsIt states fights in monitors with the gular pump go on for a long time and the animals have good endurance, which one would know would be more than the leopard due to its lack of adaptations for stamina. Regarding the leopard, I never said it did not stand a chance or wouldn't be able to outflank the Komodo whatsoever, I just feel what the Komodo brings to the table negates those more often than not. Also, how will jumping height be of much help? Speed isn't gonna be all THAT much; this is not a race. |
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Post by sam1 on Dec 18, 2019 3:56:38 GMT 5
..Leopards have also been known to endure in prolonged fights, lasting up to over an hour.
Jumping height is just an illustration of the athletic potential..leopard will obviously not have to jump 3m high in a fight with a komodo dragon. What it means is that a leopard can use its abilities in evasive and attacking maneuvers. Haven't you watched leopards fighting? There's typicaly a LOT of jumping involved, all as a part of evasive/attacking maneuvers/attempts to gain a favorable position.
All in all, comparing leopard fights to a komodo dragon fights shows a dramatic difference in skill and intensity displayed.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 18, 2019 7:32:23 GMT 5
Can they match Komodos for extended aerobic performance? Also, KDs have 360 defense of teeth and tail, which would help even if the leopard gets to the rear.
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Post by sam1 on Dec 18, 2019 21:31:09 GMT 5
Like I said, the intensity and energy that the leopard could bring is far beyond what we've seen the komodo shows..and I don't see why an all out effort against the komodo would last longer than the fight with another leopard.
As for the tail swipes, they are next to irrelevant in such intensive fight..the lizard would just have no opportunity to swipe the tail during the brawl..because such whip typically happens in static, standoff-like situations. The lizard needs to stand still and with all four legs on the ground in order to perform it.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 18, 2019 21:53:24 GMT 5
Really? Why wouldn't it be usable at virtually any point when the leopard gets close.
And what is there to suggest the Komodo would tire first?
You also need to remember the nature of these animals - all the Komodo needs is 1 bite. That's it. Relatively easier than leopard strategy.
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