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Post by Life on Dec 18, 2019 22:17:44 GMT 5
1: Have you ever seen how fast Komodos can be? The Komodo dragon actively chased, fought and brought that deer down: Do people have doubts about speed, endurance, stamina, and maneuverability of a deer? In fact, I saw a footage in which a Komodo dragon had literally caught a deer by its neck, and outcome was predictable. Komodo dragon = potent combination of strength, endurance, stamina and maneuverability. Underestimate at your own peril. In close-quarters combat with a powerful macropredator, your high-flying acrobatics will not guarantee you victory. Breaching skin of a komodo dragon is not easy in particular. |
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Post by sam1 on Dec 18, 2019 22:50:53 GMT 5
Really? Why wouldn't it be usable at virtually any point when the leopard gets close. And what is there to suggest the Komodo would tire first? You also need to remember the nature of these animals - all the Komodo needs is 1 bite. That's it. Relatively easier than leopard strategy. I literally explained why it would not be usable..please don't make me repeat myself. And don't twist my words .. where have I said the lizard needs to tire first? I simply said that the leopard has enough endurance to kill a komodo. It has the agility, the speed, the reflexes, the strength(leopards actually have enormous pound for pound strength, showcased by their ability to carry 2x their body weight up a tree trunk) to handle the lizard, outgrapple it and secure a favorable position - it's limbs are far more dexterous, as well as is the whole body. In short, the lizard would ended up lying in a position I already described. As for the "one bite" claim..I acknowledged that a bite from a komodo could prove fatal post-fight. But you start to sound like it's a black mamba or a cobra here. Being venomous does not mean being always lethal, you do realize that? As for the clios showing a komodo chasing a deer, what's the point? Is it to show something a leopard can't do? Lol. It can do it 3 times faster, and it can do countless stuff a lizard can't even dream of. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 18, 2019 23:50:33 GMT 5
What would make the Komodo incapable of using it while the leopard is anywhere within range? There may have been a miscommunication there.
And I'm not twisting your words; what I took from that was that you were saying the leopard would be able to outlast the Komodo (and in this context, having enough endurance would mean having enough stamina to dodge all its lunges and attacks, is that what you were saying?)
I'm not saying it is incapable of winning, but how much would it be able to get in close contact without getting bitten?
Regarding the bite, the KD doesn't even need venom, it has a mouth full of sharp, serrated teeth like a carnosaur or shark that's extremely lethal and devastating on its own, without the venom. The venom just increases the bleeding, and I have my doubts that the leopard can tank the pain, damage, and bleeding and continue to fight well.
About all those advantages, the question is how will they help in the fight? The Komodo has all it needs to win too, and I have my doubts as to whether everything the leopard can do would all help it.
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Post by Life on Dec 19, 2019 1:04:31 GMT 5
Following footage is very telling:
A Komodo Dragon had literally captured a deer by its neck - imagine the swiftness of this lizard in close-quarters situations.
More importantly, this footage show the impact of Dragon's saliva on flesh - horrific. Just one bite and the victim is doomed.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 19, 2019 1:10:33 GMT 5
^This. The ability for close quarter bursts of speed and hyperactivity combined with an extremely lethal and damaging bite will help the dragon a LOT.
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Post by sam1 on Dec 19, 2019 3:59:42 GMT 5
You guys are just seemingly incapable of seeing this objectively at all..blinded by the image of a scary dragon with scary looking teeth, you imagine komodo just cutting through the leopard like some knife through butter..a leopard that would, unlike the komodo's usual victims, fight back with all its furious and deadly might. Some more facts for you: Leopard's jaws are MUCH more powerful. Its bite can crush a komodo's skull and spine. And some visual clue for you.  |
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Post by sam1 on Dec 19, 2019 4:05:02 GMT 5
..and you want to see some "close quarter bursts of speed and hyperactivity"?
I'm done here, it's getting ridiculous.
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Post by Life on Dec 19, 2019 8:53:07 GMT 5
sam1Your opinion is noted and appreciated. Since these two animals have not crossed paths, WE are all in "speculatory territory." However, you cannot tell much about the capabilities of an animal from its bones or its skull - numerous biological factors are to be accounted for. You do not realize how swift and tough Komodo is. Where these lizards are, they are literally at the top of the food chain and other predators stay clear. These lizards are far more agile and capable than crocodilians on the land, and are known to capture and eat deers, monkeys, buffalos and large snakes - like whatever. Just one bite from a Komodo proves fatal to the animal on its receiving end. Its skin is not easy to breach even with razor sharp tools. And if one Komodo is struggling with an animal, another will show up and join in the fun. This is why challenging a Komodo, can go really wrong for any potential competitor. Take it easy.
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Post by ultimatium35 on Dec 19, 2019 12:51:49 GMT 5
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Post by Life on Dec 19, 2019 14:11:58 GMT 5
^^^
Felids certainly have the capacity to figure out how to contend with large reptiles but Crocodilians are not built to hunt on land. Crocodilians are most capable and effective in shallow water environments.
Large Felids versus Crocodilians on land, is a mismatch in favor of the former group unless significant disparity in size.
Komodo Dragon does not have much in common with Crocodilians, puts the latter to shame in hunting prowess and maneuverability on land among other factors. Komodo Dragon does not have a comparable analogue in environments outside IndoChina.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 19, 2019 16:47:12 GMT 5
Yes, true. Crocodilians are a very bad representative for Komodos because they are not as terrestrial. I would back a same sized big cat about 7/10 over a croc on land. But deffo not the case here. sam1 Bite force is not everything; jaw mechanics are much more relevant. The Komodo has a much larger bite area designed to bite freely, and it does not need a high bite force. Its dentition takes care of that by slicing. Plus the leopard has to bite a vital area for it to be effective. And yes the leopard is agile, but it's not like the Komodo can't keep up or anything. EDIT: Life, they have indeed crossed paths in the PLeistocene. Did you mean just not today? |
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Post by ultimatium35 on Dec 20, 2019 6:59:53 GMT 5
^^^ Felids certainly have the capacity to figure out how to contend with large reptiles but Crocodilians are not built to hunt on land. Crocodilians are most capable and effective in shallow water environments. Large Felids versus Crocodilians on land, is a mismatch in favor of the former group unless significant disparity in size. Komodo Dragon does not have much in common with Crocodilians, puts the latter to shame in hunting prowess and maneuverability on land among other factors. Komodo Dragon does not have a comparable analogue in environments outside IndoChina. Crocodiles may not be as maneuverable as Komodo Dragons, but they are still unpredictable on land. Not to mention, Monitor Lizards have been outmaneuvered before. |
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Post by Life on Dec 20, 2019 11:32:19 GMT 5
Crocodiles may not be as maneuverable as Komodo Dragons, but they are still unpredictable on land. Not to mention, Monitor Lizards have been outmaneuvered before. Refer back to this post: theworldofanimals.proboards.com/post/52599'Crocodiles may not be as maneuverable as Komodo Dragons' = laugh-worthy statement. Komodo Dragons utterly outclass Crocodilians in all aspects related to acquiring prey on land. This is not a fair comparison. Monitor Lizards are not marcophagous - they do not have adaptations to kill large animals. Komodo Dragons are not ordinary lizards but apex predators - they are able to kill/consume virtually any animal in their environment. Following video: - provide glimpse of swiftness of Komodo Dragon. It manage to bite in split-second moments and even change directions in swift-second moments. This come down to biological characteristics of Komodo Dragon - musculature and respiratory system optimized for enabling swift movements, endurance, stamina and strength. Much different than in other lizards. And all it takes is just one bite to seal fate of any animal. Large number of people have little idea about what Komodo Dragons are capable of. These people are most likely to get eaten by one.  J/K Pit a dog against a Komodo Dragon and see what happens. The Dragon will tear the poor dog apart... |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 20, 2019 16:55:38 GMT 5
Well, there are several monitors that are quite good at macrophagy. Thing is, the posted vidoes are not a good example of a fair match as honey badgers are about 2-3 times bigger than sympatric monitors.
As for that second video, what kind of monitor is that?
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Post by ultimatium35 on Dec 20, 2019 23:47:34 GMT 5
Crocodiles may not be as maneuverable as Komodo Dragons, but they are still unpredictable on land. Not to mention, Monitor Lizards have been outmaneuvered before. Refer back to this post: theworldofanimals.proboards.com/post/52599'Crocodiles may not be as maneuverable as Komodo Dragons' = laugh-worthy statement. Komodo Dragons utterly outclass Crocodilians in all aspects related to acquiring prey on land. This is not a fair comparison. Monitor Lizards are not marcophagous - they do not have adaptations to kill large animals. Komodo Dragons are not ordinary lizards but apex predators - they are able to kill/consume virtually any animal in their environment. Following video: - provide glimpse of swiftness of Komodo Dragon. It manage to bite in split-second moments and even change directions in swift-second moments. This come down to biological characteristics of Komodo Dragon - musculature and respiratory system optimized for enabling swift movements, endurance, stamina and strength. Much different than in other lizards. And all it takes is just one bite to seal fate of any animal. Large number of people have little idea about what Komodo Dragons are capable of. These people are most likely to get eaten by one. J/K Pit a dog against a Komodo Dragon and see what happens. The Dragon will tear the poor dog apart... A human outran the Dragon in the last part of the video. Also, wouldn't fighting a Leopard be very different than dodging a buffalo? Anyway the match would be 51/49 with slight edge to the Leopard. |
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