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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 16, 2020 20:59:15 GMT 5
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Feb 17, 2020 5:47:03 GMT 5
if it's 2 400kg crocodiles, and they attack the theropod near simultaneously, i have little hope it will be able to do anything about it.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 17, 2020 13:33:06 GMT 5
Hmm....
On land, if it can watch its step enough, I might lean towards Aucasaurus slightly. All it would have to do is stay out of reach, though it's never seen crocodiles, really, and if they cooperate well enough, they could well win. Maybe I'll make a chart.
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Post by velesoid on Feb 19, 2020 2:04:55 GMT 5
if it's 2 400kg crocodiles, and they attack the theropod near simultaneously, i have little hope it will be able to do anything about it. crocs are extremely bad at attacking on land and the dino is heavier than both of them combined. outside of water the crocs are royally ****ed |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 19, 2020 6:39:58 GMT 5
Size comp. Aucasaurus is by Paleocolour and I do nor know who owns the croc images but all credit goes to them.  |
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Feb 22, 2020 6:04:40 GMT 5
if it's 2 400kg crocodiles, and they attack the theropod near simultaneously, i have little hope it will be able to do anything about it. crocs are extremely bad at attacking on land What an incredibly overgeneralized statement. A single american crocodile can probably weigh as much as 1t; i'm not even sure how accurate the figures given for the theropod are, but i'll have to look into it. |
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Post by velesoid on Feb 22, 2020 7:45:52 GMT 5
crocs are extremely bad at attacking on land What an incredibly overgeneralized statement. and very much true, unless you can show me a croc beating any kind of land predator on, well, land absolute biggest ever is 900 kg, they average at less than half that weight |
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Feb 22, 2020 8:06:22 GMT 5
What an incredibly overgeneralized statement. and very much true, unless you can show me a croc beating any kind of land predator on, well, land absolute biggest ever is 900 kg, they average at less than half that weight Yikes, what a blatant moving of goal posts. "Crocodiles are bad at attacking on land" ⟶ " show me a croc beating any kind of land predator on land" Crocodilian ecology is way more complex than ramblings of forum posters wishing one animal to beat up another, unfortunately. There are numerous records of crocodilians hunting on land {1}, and many smaller bodied species are incredibly more agile and explosive in their movements on land than the larger species, so yes, your statement is very vague & overgeneralized, and not very true. 900kg is one ton(2000lb), even if an adult male weighs "half that", there are two of them here. And like i said, i'm not even sure where the 1 tonne figure for the theropod is from, so it's mildly dubious to be using it.
Reference {1} Dinets,Vladimir. On terrestrial hunting by crocodilians (2010). |
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Post by velesoid on Feb 22, 2020 8:19:04 GMT 5
and very much true, unless you can show me a croc beating any kind of land predator on, well, land absolute biggest ever is 900 kg, they average at less than half that weight Yikes, what a blatant moving of goal posts. "Crocodiles are bad at attacking on land" ⟶ " show me a croc beating any kind of land predator on land" Crocodilian ecology is way more complex than ramblings of forum posters wishing one animal to beat up another, unfortunately. There are numerous records of crocodilians hunting on land {1}, and many smaller bodied species are incredibly more agile and explosive in their movements on land than the larger species, so yes, your statement is very vague & overgeneralized, and not very true.
Reference {1} Dinets,Vladimir. On terrestrial hunting by crocodilians (2010). What prey, how big, under what circumstances? Be more specific with said "land hunting" Aaand that does not matter- The dino has a pretty big manouvering advantage and can pick off the crocs. Who do to their specif jaw and teeth structure will find themselves having hard time doing serious damage |
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Feb 22, 2020 8:32:55 GMT 5
For someone whose post was not very specific, you are not in any spot to be asking anyone to "be more specific", lol But anyway, you can read the PDF file here www.researchgate.net/publication/289942642_On_terrestrial_hunting_by_crocodiliansIt is an automatic download. Because you say so? I would doubt it would "pick off" a 400kg crocodile. You would need evidence to substantiate such a claim. Considering the dubious nature of the 1 tonne figure as of yet, and any supplemental supporting evidence for your claims, your argument thus far is not very convincing. Please post the supplemental evidence for significant advantages of the abelisaur, i would like to read them. |
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Feb 22, 2020 8:41:52 GMT 5
Coming from someone whose post wasn't really specific in nature, it is rich to be demanding someone else be "more specific". But at any rate, you can read the PDF here www.researchgate.net/publication/289942642_On_terrestrial_hunting_by_crocodiliansIt is an automatic download. Solid and definite rebutting remark mate. I would doubt that it's going to "pick off" 2 400kg crocodiles. Please post the sufficient physiological evidence for the claim, i would like to read it. There's not anything "special" about their jaw structure, they are not specialized piscivores like Tomistoma, Mecistops, or Gavialis. They are pretty standard large crocodile jaws that allow them to prey on large animals, especially when they get to the size in the OP. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 22, 2020 10:06:39 GMT 5
Ceratodromeus, velesoid, as for the 1 tonne mass figure, I based that on Greg Paul's 5.5 meters and 750 kg scaled to the proposed 6.1 meters in Grillo & Delcourt (2016).
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Post by velesoid on Feb 22, 2020 17:29:52 GMT 5
And nothing about american crocs. At best there are cases of crocs "sometimes" attacking humans on land or small herbivores. It really, really is not. Yes, there is. Crocs NEED to drown larger animals and it is very much the part of their hunting tactic. They cannot chew or lacerate. |
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Feb 22, 2020 22:21:24 GMT 5
And nothing about american crocs. At best there are cases of crocs "sometimes" attacking humans on land or small herbivores. It really, really is not. Yes, there is. Crocs NEED to drown larger animals and it is very much the part of their hunting tactic. They cannot chew or lacerate. Nothing about american crocodiles? What? What is superbly damning about your comment here is it showed you failed to even comprehensively read the article.  Sarcasm isn't your strong suit by chance, is it? I mean the water helps, but They do not need to drown an animal to fatally injure it. This is seen in particular with nile crocodile attacks on Zebra, they have a jaw and dentition meant to grip, and their post cranial forces aid in either dispatching or severely maiming potential prey. This would probably happen near water anyway, so i'm not sure why you felt the need to point this out. |
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Post by velesoid on Feb 22, 2020 22:34:48 GMT 5
And nothing about american crocs. At best there are cases of crocs "sometimes" attacking humans on land or small herbivores. It really, really is not. Yes, there is. Crocs NEED to drown larger animals and it is very much the part of their hunting tactic. They cannot chew or lacerate. Nothing about american crocodiles? What? What is superbly damning about your comment here is it showed you failed to even comprehensively read the article. that is a croc chilling on land, not hunting anything. not the point i talked about nile crocs=/=american crocs and when has a nile croc killed a zebra without drowning it? |
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