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Post by velesoid on Feb 20, 2020 1:35:45 GMT 5
![]()  A nice traira (Hoplias aimara) caught by angler Martini Arostegui and IGFA record www.igfa.orgThis is the largest of the Hoplias species with specimens caught at a length of 120 cm, the largest rod and reel record stands at 101 cm. They can weigh as much as 40 kg (88 lbs).[3] This species has an elongated cylindrical shape. the colour is basically brown with a lighter base colour, although shades can vary, with a number of vertical patches or stripes. There are normally small spots visible on the upper anterior part of the body including the head, the patterning can vary geographically. The colour can be almost solid black through to pale brownish gold colour with marked dark stripes. Order: Characiformes Family: Erythrinidae Length or height: up to 120 cm in length Mass: 10 to 40 kg Diet: carnivore Killing apparatus: powerful jaws  muskellunge Illustrations by Joseph R. Tomelleri © Muskellunge closely resemble other esocids such as the northern pike and American pickerel in both appearance and behavior. Like the northern pike and other aggressive pikes, the body plan is typical of ambush predators with an elongated body, flat head, and dorsal, pelvic, and anal fins set far back on the body. Muskellunge are typically 28–48 in (71–122 cm) long and weigh 15–36 lb (6.8–16.3 kg),[1] though some have reached up to 6 ft (1.8 m) and almost 70 lb (32 kg).[2] According to past references the muskellunge attains 8 feet (244 cm) in length; this, however, has never been confirmed and is based most likely on exaggerations. A fish with a weight of 61.25 lb (27.8 kg) was caught in November 2000 in Georgian Bay, Ontario. Order: Esociformes Family: Esocidae Length or height: 48-180 cm in length Mass: 8-32 kg Diet: carnivore Killing apparatus: strong jaws and sharp teeth |
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Post by kekistani on Feb 20, 2020 1:49:57 GMT 5
![]() A nice traira (Hoplias aimara) caught by angler Martini Arostegui and IGFA record www.igfa.orgThis is the largest of the Hoplias species with specimens caught at a length of 120 cm, the largest rod and reel record stands at 101 cm. They can weigh as much as 40 kg (88 lbs).[3] This species has an elongated cylindrical shape. the colour is basically brown with a lighter base colour, although shades can vary, with a number of vertical patches or stripes. There are normally small spots visible on the upper anterior part of the body including the head, the patterning can vary geographically. The colour can be almost solid black through to pale brownish gold colour with marked dark stripes. Order: Characiformes Family: Erythrinidae Length or height: up to 120 cm in length Mass: 10 to 40 kg Diet: carnivore Killing apparatus: powerful jaws muskellunge Illustrations by Joseph R. Tomelleri © Muskellunge closely resemble other esocids such as the northern pike and American pickerel in both appearance and behavior. Like the northern pike and other aggressive pikes, the body plan is typical of ambush predators with an elongated body, flat head, and dorsal, pelvic, and anal fins set far back on the body. Muskellunge are typically 28–48 in (71–122 cm) long and weigh 15–36 lb (6.8–16.3 kg),[1] though some have reached up to 6 ft (1.8 m) and almost 70 lb (32 kg).[2] According to past references the muskellunge attains 8 feet (244 cm) in length; this, however, has never been confirmed and is based most likely on exaggerations. A fish with a weight of 61.25 lb (27.8 kg) was caught in November 2000 in Georgian Bay, Ontario. Order: Esociformes Family: Esocidae Length or height: 48-180 cm in length Mass: 8-32 kg Diet: carnivore Killing apparatus: strong jaws and sharp teeth Title of thread is wrong, might wanna fix that
Also this is a close one, both have vicious dentition, though I think the giant trahira has stronger jaws based on the jaw structure and tooth design
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Post by velesoid on Feb 20, 2020 2:18:27 GMT 5
![]() A nice traira (Hoplias aimara) caught by angler Martini Arostegui and IGFA record www.igfa.orgThis is the largest of the Hoplias species with specimens caught at a length of 120 cm, the largest rod and reel record stands at 101 cm. They can weigh as much as 40 kg (88 lbs).[3] This species has an elongated cylindrical shape. the colour is basically brown with a lighter base colour, although shades can vary, with a number of vertical patches or stripes. There are normally small spots visible on the upper anterior part of the body including the head, the patterning can vary geographically. The colour can be almost solid black through to pale brownish gold colour with marked dark stripes. Order: Characiformes Family: Erythrinidae Length or height: up to 120 cm in length Mass: 10 to 40 kg Diet: carnivore Killing apparatus: powerful jaws muskellunge Illustrations by Joseph R. Tomelleri © Muskellunge closely resemble other esocids such as the northern pike and American pickerel in both appearance and behavior. Like the northern pike and other aggressive pikes, the body plan is typical of ambush predators with an elongated body, flat head, and dorsal, pelvic, and anal fins set far back on the body. Muskellunge are typically 28–48 in (71–122 cm) long and weigh 15–36 lb (6.8–16.3 kg),[1] though some have reached up to 6 ft (1.8 m) and almost 70 lb (32 kg).[2] According to past references the muskellunge attains 8 feet (244 cm) in length; this, however, has never been confirmed and is based most likely on exaggerations. A fish with a weight of 61.25 lb (27.8 kg) was caught in November 2000 in Georgian Bay, Ontario. Order: Esociformes Family: Esocidae Length or height: 48-180 cm in length Mass: 8-32 kg Diet: carnivore Killing apparatus: strong jaws and sharp teeth Title of thread is wrong, might wanna fix that
Also this is a close one, both have vicious dentition, though I think the giant trahira has stronger jaws based on the jaw structure and tooth design
skulls for comparison H. aimara  E. masquinongy  |
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Post by kekistani on Feb 20, 2020 2:24:10 GMT 5
Title of thread is wrong, might wanna fix that
Also this is a close one, both have vicious dentition, though I think the giant trahira has stronger jaws based on the jaw structure and tooth design
skulls for comparison H. aimara E. masquinongy Going with H. Aimara then |
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Post by velesoid on Feb 20, 2020 2:36:27 GMT 5
skulls for comparison H. aimara E. masquinongy Going with H. Aimara then damage dealt to similar sized fishes www.youtube.com/watch?v=fin0VB9vECIwww.youtube.com/watch?v=i5JfcCN_E8cmuskies can open their jaws wider, allowing them to swallow large prey items whole. anjumara has no such courtesy and prey that cannon be swallowed whole is grabbed and shaken in dog like fashion, tearing off edible chunks |
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Post by Infinity Blade on Feb 20, 2020 2:42:48 GMT 5
Genuine question: why was the thread title changed back to "Interspecific conflict" (I think I changed it earlier to reflect who fights whom, but I was admittedly lazy and copied/pasted from the subtitle)? We don't literally name our threads "Interspecific conflict"; we already know this is the board for that. Titles follow a straightforward "*blank* vs *blank*".
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Post by velesoid on Feb 20, 2020 2:51:40 GMT 5
Genuine question: why was the thread title changed back to "Interspecific conflict" (I think I changed it earlier to reflect who fights whom, but I was admittedly lazy and copied/pasted from the subtitle)? We don't literally name our threads "Interspecific conflict"; we already know this is the board for that. Titles follow a straightforward "*blank* vs *blank*". fixed it |
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Post by kekistani on Feb 20, 2020 2:53:08 GMT 5
Going with H. Aimara then damage dealt to similar sized fishes www.youtube.com/watch?v=fin0VB9vECIwww.youtube.com/watch?v=i5JfcCN_E8cmuskies can open their jaws wider, allowing them to swallow large prey items whole. anjumara has no such courtesy and prey that cannon be swallowed whole is grabbed and shaken in dog like fashion, tearing off edible chunks What a waste of a good hoplerythrinus unitaeniatus
Also wouldn't a fully grown wolffish be too large to be swallowed by a full grown musky?
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Post by velesoid on Feb 20, 2020 3:04:16 GMT 5
What a waste of a good hoplerythrinus unitaeniatus
Also wouldn't a fully grown wolffish be too large to be swallowed by a full grown musky?
tehnically yes, i could see muskie swallowing one third of it or so but the wolf fish is more robust, quite a bit too at that. dont know how fast wolf fish is by comparison tho, this is all i could find www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZQktgMHbes |
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Post by kekistani on Feb 20, 2020 4:57:13 GMT 5
What a waste of a good hoplerythrinus unitaeniatus
Also wouldn't a fully grown wolffish be too large to be swallowed by a full grown musky?
tehnically yes, i could see muskie swallowing one third of it or so but the wolf fish is more robust, quite a bit too at that. dont know how fast wolf fish is by comparison tho, this is all i could find www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZQktgMHbesThere was a vid I saw where a Wolfish gets pissed off at a cleaning brush and strikes at it, pretty fast |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 20, 2020 6:38:29 GMT 5
Hmm...interesting thread, kekistani velesoid! Undecided ATM, but I do think it's close. I'll be back later with maybe a size comp. |
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Post by kekistani on Feb 20, 2020 7:01:11 GMT 5
Hmm...interesting thread, kekistani ! Undecided ATM, but I do think it's close. I'll be back later with maybe a size comp. Not my thread tho, but K |
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Post by velesoid on Feb 20, 2020 8:27:44 GMT 5
tehnically yes, i could see muskie swallowing one third of it or so but the wolf fish is more robust, quite a bit too at that. dont know how fast wolf fish is by comparison tho, this is all i could find www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZQktgMHbesThere was a vid I saw where a Wolfish gets pissed off at a cleaning brush and strikes at it, pretty fast In short burst of speed yes, they are known to snatch large mammalian prey in shallow waters. Reportedly even killing medium sized dogs. But muskie is certainly swifter in the long run. What wins the wolf's side are jaws. The number of fishes who have bite like anjumare can be counted on fingers of single hand |
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Post by kekistani on Feb 20, 2020 10:08:12 GMT 5
There was a vid I saw where a Wolfish gets pissed off at a cleaning brush and strikes at it, pretty fast In short burst of speed yes, they are known to snatch large mammalian prey in shallow waters. Reportedly even killing medium sized dogs. But muskie is certainly swifter in the long run. What wins the wolf's side are jaws. The number of fishes who have bite like anjumare can be counted on fingers of single hand I did remember river monsters did an episode on it where one cut up a dam diver's hand very badly
Muskie also do not have the big scales on the body either, those could act like an armor for the wolffish
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Post by velesoid on Feb 20, 2020 10:25:04 GMT 5
In short burst of speed yes, they are known to snatch large mammalian prey in shallow waters. Reportedly even killing medium sized dogs. But muskie is certainly swifter in the long run. What wins the wolf's side are jaws. The number of fishes who have bite like anjumare can be counted on fingers of single hand I did remember river monsters did an episode on it where one cut up a dam diver's hand very badly
Muskie also do not have the big scales on the body either, those could act like an armor for the wolffish
This seems like a doberman vs bulldog situation to me. With wolf fish being the latzer |
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