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Post by kekistani on Feb 22, 2020 9:05:16 GMT 5
Both of which aren't real options for the tigerfish. I speak from what I have experienced with gar: the B*****s are tough as hell. "Super small" he says, as he posts a picture of a fish with teeth the size of nails. and how do you know the gar will not catch the tigerfish? If the tigerfish crosses near the front of the gar the gar has a chance. Gar are built to defend from alligators-I doubt the tigerfish is getting through. Notice that all videos of the gar being butchered involve multiple strikes and/or prolonged pressure in order to get through, and even then they don't go for the scales. |
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Post by velesoid on Feb 22, 2020 17:32:25 GMT 5
"Super small" he says, as he posts a picture of a fish with teeth the size of nails. and how do you know the gar will not catch the tigerfish? If the tigerfish crosses near the front of the gar the gar has a chance. Those teeth are nowhere near nail sized. Its because Gar is much less manouverable? Its body shape and habitat do nit require it to be unlike the tigerfish Can you show a gar getting biten by alligator and surviving? |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 22, 2020 17:41:35 GMT 5
velesoid, good point. I might change my mind here and lean to the tigerfish - the gar's weapons seem somewhat inferior in comparison.
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Post by velesoid on Feb 22, 2020 21:13:17 GMT 5
velesoid , good point. I might change my mind here and lean to the tigerfish - the gar's weapons seem somewhat inferior in comparison. i am not leamimg toward either honestly, a gar twice the size of tigerfish has 50-60 percent win chance. gar at parity tho? it gets destroyed |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 22, 2020 21:16:15 GMT 5
Well yes, it certainly is close on average.
I agree with you that the gar is toast at parity though.
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Post by velesoid on Feb 22, 2020 21:19:20 GMT 5
Well yes, it certainly is close on average. I agree with you that the gar is toast at parity though. honestly i considered making a Serrasalmus rhombeus match up too. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 22, 2020 21:40:32 GMT 5
If you like. I think that's feasible.
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Post by kekistani on Feb 22, 2020 23:46:38 GMT 5
Proof that teeth are nowhere near nail sized? No, but the fact is that gar have bony scales to protect from predation. On gar scales from wikipedia: "...their bodies are protected by inflexible and articulated ganoid scales that are rhomboidal-shaped, often with serrated edges, and composed of a tough inner layer of bone and hard outer layer of ganoin, which is essentially homologous to tooth enamel, making them nearly impenetrable.[13][14][15]". Unless the tigerfish somehow has a bite force like an alligator's it has no chance of getting through |
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Post by velesoid on Feb 23, 2020 0:43:32 GMT 5
Proof that teeth are nowhere near nail sized? No, but the fact is that gar have bony scales to protect from predation. On gar scales from wikipedia: "...their bodies are protected by inflexible and articulated ganoid scales that are rhomboidal-shaped, often with serrated edges, and composed of a tough inner layer of bone and hard outer layer of ganoin, which is essentially homologous to tooth enamel, making them nearly impenetrable.[13][14][15]". Unless the tigerfish somehow has a bite force like an alligator's it has no chance of getting through you made the claim so the burden of proof should be on you  but these are not nail sized teeth nor is that quote a proof that they can withstand an alligator bite |
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Post by kekistani on Feb 23, 2020 0:51:58 GMT 5
you made the claim so the burden of proof should be on you but these are not nail sized teeth nor is that quote a proof that they can withstand an alligator bite They are the size of small nails, so they are nail-sized.
They are designed to coexist with large carnivores. The scales are "nearly impenetrable." if it requires something like a large alligator or an axe hacking under the scales to pierce the skin, the tigerfish is not getting through.
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Post by velesoid on Feb 23, 2020 1:24:16 GMT 5
you made the claim so the burden of proof should be on you but these are not nail sized teeth nor is that quote a proof that they can withstand an alligator bite They are the size of small nails, so they are nail-sized. they are not tho? even 10 d nails which are average are 3 inches, gars teeth are under one inch the same argument goes for both sides, gar teeth are way too small to do major damage. and again- no proof that they re alligator resistant, coexisting is not enough. |
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Feb 23, 2020 1:36:36 GMT 5
Alligator gar got their name from their very artificial resemblance to an american alligator to the laymen, not because of their capacity to take a bite from an alligator. However, the scutes on their body probably offer them some protection, but not a lot. I also suspect that their tooth length is being under estimated here, these teeth do not look "less than an inch long" in living specimens. I would expect most to be an inch to an inch and a half in length, Edit: On toughness of their scales  Structure and fracture resistance of alligator gar scales |
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Post by velesoid on Feb 23, 2020 1:46:42 GMT 5
Alligator gar got their name from their very artificial resemblance to an american alligator to the laymen, not because of their capacity to take a bite from an alligator. However, the scutes on their body probably offer them some protection, but not a lot. I also suspect that their tooth length is being under estimated here, these teeth do not look "less than an inch long" in living specimens. I would expect most to be an inch to an inch and a half in length, Edit: On toughness of their scales Structure and fracture resistance of alligator gar scalesthe teeth look nowhere close to an inch for me. you have any measurements? |
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Feb 23, 2020 1:47:55 GMT 5
I'm currently looking into the matter, that's why i said "i suspect". That being said, you should not be making comments such as "gar teeth are under an inch" without evidence to the claim in the form of measurements as well.
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Post by kekistani on Feb 23, 2020 1:52:29 GMT 5
IK that However, the scutes on their body probably offer them some protection, but not a lot. I also suspect that their tooth length is being under estimated here, these teeth do not look "less than an inch long" in living specimens. I would expect most to be an inch to an inch and a half in length, Edit: On toughness of their scales
Jesus that's more complex than I thought
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