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Post by dinosauria101 on Mar 1, 2020 1:39:43 GMT 5
So, there are probably some 'cryptids' out there that will go unnoticed by us from they evolve until they die out. Which species are these most likely to evolve from and how many of them might there be? kekistani, you may be interested in discussing this. |
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Post by kekistani on Mar 1, 2020 13:52:22 GMT 5
So, there are probably some 'cryptids' out there that will go unnoticed by us from they evolve until they die out. Which species are these most likely to evolve from and how many of them might there be? kekistani , you may be interested in discussing this. Please rephrase the question, I'm not sure what you are asking. If it is what species supposed cryptids evolved from:
. Orang Pendek is an evolutionary leap to obligate bipedalism in the pongoid family, unique overall. . The 'Yeti' is a sub-population of Himalayan bears (or blue bears) that has evolved the tendency to walk bipedally more often to cope with snowfall at higher altitudes
. 'Lipata' are a sub-population/subspecies of Nile crocodile. . 'Water Elephants' are a offshoot of the Loxodonta tree, taking to an amphibious lifestyle.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Mar 1, 2020 17:11:45 GMT 5
Yep! That's it!
I myself think that very poorly known and hard to access animals can evolve into cryptids, similar to what you think. For instance:
-The spectacled bear could well evolve into an animal very similar to the short faced bear of the Pleistocene
-Wolverines could possibly evolve into a new mustelid species, higher up on the food chain than regular wolverines to take advantage of a possible jump in food sources
-Pupfish may evolve to breathe air, similar to snakehead and fighting fish, if their holes get exposed and dry out.
All this we may not know since they are so poorly known.
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Post by smedz on Mar 1, 2020 18:22:31 GMT 5
Here's mine
-The Ennedi Tiger is a descendant of Homotherium that got bigger after Agriotherium went extinct. (I did not choose Megantereon because there were also once lions in the Ennedi Plateau which would have kept Megantereon from getting larger.)
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Post by kekistani on Mar 1, 2020 23:46:48 GMT 5
Here's mine -The Ennedi Tiger is a descendant of Homotherium that got bigger after Agriotherium went extinct. (I did not choose Megantereon because there were also once lions in the Ennedi Plateau which would have kept Megantereon from getting larger.) Is the Ennedi Tiger a Tigre de Montagne? |
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Post by smedz on Mar 2, 2020 1:00:45 GMT 5
kekistani
Yes it is.
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Post by kekistani on Mar 2, 2020 2:48:15 GMT 5
Then wouldn't Machairodus be a better choice as a stem-ennedi tiger? |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Mar 2, 2020 4:39:38 GMT 5
I do think a clouded leopard may also be a good mention, since they are very cryptic, they may evolve into something else w/o our knowledge, and they may have done so already.
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Post by smedz on Mar 15, 2020 1:04:43 GMT 5
Then wouldn't Machairodus be a better choice as a stem-ennedi tiger? In terms of anatomy yes, but you have to remember that no Machairodus fossils have been found beyond the Pliocene, and Homotherium was closer to the present than Machairodus in geological time, and it was larger than Megantereon. Now you could make an argument for Dinofelis being it's ancestor but once more we run into the issue of possible lion competition. |
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Post by kekistani on Mar 15, 2020 5:35:04 GMT 5
Then wouldn't Machairodus be a better choice as a stem-ennedi tiger? but once more we run into the issue of possible lion competition. It would makes sense for there to be a large solitary ground-cat though, look at India in historical times before rifles appeared on the continent.
Ad on time-periods I agree, I thought that Machairodus survived until the ice age
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Post by smedz on Mar 15, 2020 6:36:33 GMT 5
but once more we run into the issue of possible lion competition. It would makes sense for there to be a large solitary ground-cat though, look at India in historical times before rifles appeared on the continent.
Ad on time-periods I agree, I thought that Machairodus survived until the ice age
True, though you have to remember that lions and tigers in India would've used different habitats so they technically wouldn't have been competing, hence why they're aren't many accounts of them fighting in the wild. |
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Post by kekistani on Mar 15, 2020 8:05:13 GMT 5
It would makes sense for there to be a large solitary ground-cat though, look at India in historical times before rifles appeared on the continent.
Ad on time-periods I agree, I thought that Machairodus survived until the ice age
True, though you have to remember that lions and tigers in India would've used different habitats so they technically wouldn't have been competing, hence why they're aren't many accounts of them fighting in the wild. Well, given that the Tigre De Montagne inhabit areas lion's don't, that's applicable here |
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Post by smedz on Mar 15, 2020 19:18:36 GMT 5
True, though you have to remember that lions and tigers in India would've used different habitats so they technically wouldn't have been competing, hence why they're aren't many accounts of them fighting in the wild. Well, given that the Tigre De Montagne inhabit areas lion's don't, that's applicable here Indeed it would be. Lions aren't in those regions now, but that doesn't mean that region never had lions. That's what I'm trying to find out. Would anyone know here know if there were lions in the Ennedi Plateau? |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Mar 15, 2020 19:55:36 GMT 5
That's hard to say. We'd need some investigations on someone's part, I guess.
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Post by smedz on Mar 15, 2020 22:16:57 GMT 5
I look at the historic range of the African Lion and it does overlap with the Ennedi Plaeau. But tigers and lions lived together in India without much or any conflict and the reason for that was that they live in different habitats. The Ennedi Tiger lives in the mountainous regions whereas lions are more open plains animals with the exception of those that lived in the Atlas Mountains. But it appears that lions were not living in the mountains that the Ennedi Tiger is said to live in. Homotherium was also a plains animal, not much of a mountain animal.
So with those two larger cats not occupying those mountain regions, I would suggest that the ancestor of the Ennedi Tiger is Megantereon. Without bigger cats in the mountains to compete with, the Megantereon in the mountains got bigger to take advantage of the open niche. |
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