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Post by Venomous Dragon on Dec 17, 2013 23:56:28 GMT 5
Wolverine wins. His claws can easily slice through Spiderman's webs like a lightsaber through butter, and his regeneration and toughness will only make his victory even easier. No Spider man can dodge bullets, how is logan gonna hit him? If he webs logan up so he cant move, theres nothing logan can do. He doesnt win, only people blinded by ignorance or fanboyism think Otherwise. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 23:38:26 GMT 5
Spider-Man is fast and agile, but he will still lose to Logan's claws.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Jan 6, 2014 23:41:16 GMT 5
Spider-Man is fast and agile, but he will still lose to Logan's claws. incorrect you are also forgetting spidey is many times stronger. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2014 1:04:55 GMT 5
I know Spidey is 10 times stronger but I just don't see how Spidey can kill Logan. Logan has survived nukes and strength isn't the only thing that matters in this match-up. Weaponry also matters, and Logan has the better weaponry here.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Jan 7, 2014 6:36:41 GMT 5
I know Spidey is 10 times stronger but I just don't see how Spidey can kill Logan. Logan has survived nukes and strength isn't the only thing that matters in this match-up. Weaponry also matters, and Logan has the better weaponry here. 1: he doesn't have to kill him to win. 2: weaponry isn't all that matters Either. Parker is stronger, faster, more agile, more intelligent, he has virtually every advantage outside of weaponry (countered by webs fairly easily), fighting experience (countered by spider sense and far superior physical attributes) and durability. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 23:13:35 GMT 5
1. I believe this is a death battle
2. True, but it is one of the most important things in this match-up.
Stronger: Sure
Faster: Of course
More agile: Yes again
More intelligent: Evidence?
Webs aren't gonna kill him.
Fighting experience: Wolverine has a lot of fighting experience too.
Durability: Are you kidding me?
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Jan 17, 2014 8:29:18 GMT 5
Learn to read man, I said Logan Is more experienced and durable, not parker and if you don't know that Peter is more intelligent (he has genius level intellect) than you don't know enough aboat marvel comics to be worth my time in this debate.
Where does it say this is a fight to the death?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2014 19:32:21 GMT 5
You know what, after reading some comics. I do think that this is a closer fight than I thought
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Post by Cross on May 9, 2016 11:02:35 GMT 5
Being a huge Spider-Man fan, I'm gonna bump this thread and state some facts from the comics : -Spider-Man once lifted a 52 ton aircraft while it was moving on the runway.  -Spider-Man has said that his base level strength is the same as the proportionate strength of a spider. Some spider species can lift up to 170 times their own weight. Peter Parker weighs around 167 to 180 lbs according to Marvel. By the same proportion, he should be able to exert up to 13-15 tons of force at minimum. That's already enough to send Wolverine flying with one punch.  -Spider-Man almost always holds back from using his full strength when he fights his opponents because he knows that he could potentially kill them if he hit them with his full strength.  -This is made clear in the Superior Spider-Man series of comics where Doctor Octavius inserts his mind into Peter Parker's body to become "The Superior Spider-Man". Octavius becomes careless and does not realize how physically powerful Peter Parker actually is and punches his opponent with full strength and accidentally dislocates and shatters his opponent's lower jaw. -Spider-Man has once staggered Hulk and fought him to a stalemate.   -Spider-Man has defeated Iron Man in his symbiote Spider-Man mode.  -Peter Parker has stated himself that he is 40 times quicker than the average peak-human. This is apparent when he beat up Deadpool, in which he launched Deadpool into the air with a single punch and performed a 5-hit combo on Deadpool while they were both in the air. Deadpool, collapsing to the ground to catch his breath, looks at Spider-Man and remarks "Holy shit, you're fast!".  -Spider-Man can hold his own against the likes of Juggernaut, Colossus, and Rhino in a fistfight.    -Spider-Man is said to have bullet-timer reaction time, meaning he can see when a bullet exits the barrel of a gun and still dodge it before it can hit him.   -Spider-Man's webs are far stronger and useful than people think. His reaction time is so fast that he can shoot several webs to catch a barrage of bullets.  And the final nail in the coffin :  Don't believe me? In the Web of Shadows videogame, he gets into a fight with Wolverine in a lot and he absolutely owned Wolverine in the fight : www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-_2_BmqCPAA death battle with an opponent who has healing factor is not fair, because it's virtually impossible for them to be killed (thus again, a death battle with someone who can't be killed is pointless). However, in a straight-up, knock-out or TKO fight, Spider-Man can easily defeat Wolverine. Case in point. |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on May 10, 2016 3:43:51 GMT 5
Being a huge Spider-Man fan, I'm gonna bump this thread and state some facts from the comics : -Spider-Man once lifted a 52 ton aircraft while it was moving on the runway. -Spider-Man has said that his base level strength is the same as the proportionate strength of a spider. Some spider species can lift up to 170 times their own weight. Peter Parker weighs around 167 to 180 lbs according to Marvel. By the same proportion, he should be able to exert up to 13-15 tons of force at minimum. That's already enough to send Wolverine flying with one punch. -Spider-Man almost always holds back from using his full strength when he fights his opponents because he knows that he could potentially kill them if he hit them with his full strength. -This is made clear in the Superior Spider-Man series of comics where Doctor Octavius inserts his mind into Peter Parker's body to become "The Superior Spider-Man". Octavius becomes careless and does not realize how physically powerful Peter Parker actually is and punches his opponent with full strength and accidentally dislocates and shatters his opponent's lower jaw. -Spider-Man has once staggered Hulk and fought him to a stalemate. -Spider-Man has defeated Iron Man in his symbiote Spider-Man mode. -Peter Parker has stated himself that he is 40 times quicker than the average peak-human. This is apparent when he beat up Deadpool, in which he launched Deadpool into the air with a single punch and performed a 5-hit combo on Deadpool while they were both in the air. Deadpool, collapsing to the ground to catch his breath, looks at Spider-Man and remarks "Holy shit, you're fast!". -Spider-Man can hold his own against the likes of Juggernaut, Colossus, and Rhino in a fistfight. -Spider-Man is said to have bullet-timer reaction time, meaning he can see when a bullet exits the barrel of a gun and still dodge it before it can hit him. -Spider-Man's webs are far stronger and useful than people think. His reaction time is so fast that he can shoot several webs to catch a barrage of bullets. And the final nail in the coffin : Don't believe me? In the Web of Shadows videogame, he gets into a fight with Wolverine in a lot and he absolutely owned Wolverine in the fight : www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-_2_BmqCPAA death battle with an opponent who has healing factor is not fair, because it's virtually impossible for them to be killed (thus again, a death battle with someone who can't be killed is pointless). However, in a straight-up, knock-out or TKO fight, Spider-Man can easily defeat Wolverine. Case in point. While you are correct about the outcome, many of the scans you posted are inconsistent with the character's usual showing or utter plot induced stupidity. For instance SpiderMan has no business fighting Hulk, Juggernaut or iron man all three are in different leagues than spider man. Make no mistake Peter is a league above Logan himself but he has no real hope of beating guys like tony let alone the hulk. |
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Post by Cross on May 10, 2016 9:47:03 GMT 5
Being a huge Spider-Man fan, I'm gonna bump this thread and state some facts from the comics : -Spider-Man once lifted a 52 ton aircraft while it was moving on the runway. -Spider-Man has said that his base level strength is the same as the proportionate strength of a spider. Some spider species can lift up to 170 times their own weight. Peter Parker weighs around 167 to 180 lbs according to Marvel. By the same proportion, he should be able to exert up to 13-15 tons of force at minimum. That's already enough to send Wolverine flying with one punch. -Spider-Man almost always holds back from using his full strength when he fights his opponents because he knows that he could potentially kill them if he hit them with his full strength. -This is made clear in the Superior Spider-Man series of comics where Doctor Octavius inserts his mind into Peter Parker's body to become "The Superior Spider-Man". Octavius becomes careless and does not realize how physically powerful Peter Parker actually is and punches his opponent with full strength and accidentally dislocates and shatters his opponent's lower jaw. -Spider-Man has once staggered Hulk and fought him to a stalemate. -Spider-Man has defeated Iron Man in his symbiote Spider-Man mode. -Peter Parker has stated himself that he is 40 times quicker than the average peak-human. This is apparent when he beat up Deadpool, in which he launched Deadpool into the air with a single punch and performed a 5-hit combo on Deadpool while they were both in the air. Deadpool, collapsing to the ground to catch his breath, looks at Spider-Man and remarks "Holy shit, you're fast!". -Spider-Man can hold his own against the likes of Juggernaut, Colossus, and Rhino in a fistfight. -Spider-Man is said to have bullet-timer reaction time, meaning he can see when a bullet exits the barrel of a gun and still dodge it before it can hit him. -Spider-Man's webs are far stronger and useful than people think. His reaction time is so fast that he can shoot several webs to catch a barrage of bullets. And the final nail in the coffin : Don't believe me? In the Web of Shadows videogame, he gets into a fight with Wolverine in a lot and he absolutely owned Wolverine in the fight : www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-_2_BmqCPAA death battle with an opponent who has healing factor is not fair, because it's virtually impossible for them to be killed (thus again, a death battle with someone who can't be killed is pointless). However, in a straight-up, knock-out or TKO fight, Spider-Man can easily defeat Wolverine. Case in point. While you are correct about the outcome, many of the scans you posted are inconsistent with the character's usual showing or utter plot induced stupidity. For instance SpiderMan has no business fighting Hulk, Juggernaut or iron man all three are in different leagues than spider man. Make no mistake Peter is a league above Logan himself but he has no real hope of beating guys like tony let alone the hulk. 1. He needed the Symbiote suit to defeat Tony. I didn't say that normal Spider-Man could defeat Tony. 2. Have you never read those comics where one of the characters goes on a rampage and another hero is tasked to deal with them? E.G Hulk vs Tony in the Hulkbuster armor, Logan vs Hulk in the "Hulk vs Wolverine" movie, Thor vs Hulk, Captain America vs Loki, etc. Spider-Man regularly fights The Rhino, who is in the same league as Colossus, Juggernaut, base-level Hulk, and Grey Hulk in terms of strength. The reason he can hold his own against huge brutes who outclass him in physical power is because he's far quicker and more nimble than they are. 3. I didn't say he beat Hulk. I said he can hold his own in a fight against Hulk and on one occasion fought him to a stalemate because Hulk wasn't fast enough to catch Spider-Man. 4. What do you mean by "Character's usual showing?" |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on May 10, 2016 10:23:43 GMT 5
1. The symbiote did not increase Peter's strength at all, it effected his personality and acted as a rad self repairing costume bit that was it. it was not until the symbiote left Peter that it was able to increase peoples power as it started granting Peter's powers to others (later on more powers were added to the symbiote)
2. I have and I don't see the relevance, Logan can fight the hulk because he is basically unkillable but he too has no business being treated as a valid threat to hulk and Spider-Man shouldn't even really be able to do anything significant to the hulk opposed to Thor who is actually more powerful than the Hulk and Tony who even in his regular suit can fight the hulk fairly well and Rhino is absolutely nothing to heavy hitters like hulk and Juggernaut, especially classic Juggernaut and colossus is more in league with ironman interms of physical power.
Rhino<<<Colossus<<<<hulk<<<<<<<<<<<classic Cain marko Juggernaut
3. The hulk is so much more powerful than SpiderMan it's not even funny, Peter has no business even trying to fight the hulk
4. Comics by their nature are inconsistent so you have to use the average showing from a character to get a clear idea of their abilities, if you treat all showings as equally valid you get blatant contradictions, for example Venom once shrugged off being hit by a rocket launcher but was also once defeated by Peter after he set a news paper on fire (the news paper showing is not consistent with the character's other showings and so should be neglected when judging the character's abilities)
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Post by Cross on May 11, 2016 10:31:23 GMT 5
1. I never claimed Spider-Man was a significant threat to Hulk, and I'm pretty sure I made it clear that he often only fights Grey Hulk or Base level Hulk. Also note that in some of the scans I posted, the confrontations between Spidey and Hulk occurred when Hulk wasn't as powerful as Marvel currently depicts him.
2. Rhino and Hulk have fought in the comics before. Juggernaut has also faced Hulk. Wolverine is classed as a street-level character, Spider-Man is a city-level character, and the likes of Juggernaut and Hulk are classed as powerhouses. My point was that Spider-Man is occasionally capable of fighting a powerhouse level character because he outclasses them in agility and speed. I.E He utilizes hit and run tactics. Sure ,you may be miles ahead of the guy in terms of physical power, but that won't mean much if he can just run circles around you and punch you before you can catch up with him. Hulk may be substantially more powerful than Rhino and Juggernaut, but they are still pretty close since they're all grouped together in the powerhouse category. In other words, if they are put together in the same category as Hulk, then they're probably a bit close to Hulk in terms of physical power.
3. I get what you mean in number 4. In that case, Peter's strength on average is said to be 15-30 tons by Marvel.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on May 11, 2016 16:35:28 GMT 5
1: hulk has always fluctuated in power bit has always been far to much for SpiderMan who shouldn't even be able to hurt the hulk. 2: them fighting the the comics means little, the Rhino is not even close to the hulk in terms of power, he isn't even on the same level as the thing and colossus. You don't understand, Peter's punches shouldn't even be able to effect the hulk at all, less durable characters have laugh mocked SpiderMan after he hit them as hard as he could. static5.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/9/96884/1824020-venom_scan.jpgCharacters like the hulk, thing, Colossus and especially Juggernaut should barely feel spiderman's punches. 4: at his strongest he isn't even a 30 tonner (the other story line) But marvel hand books don't always mean much venom for a long time was listed as being able to lift 11 tons but at the same time had consistent showings of being 2.5 to 3 times stronger than that. |
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Post by Cross on May 12, 2016 11:33:16 GMT 5
1. So we're just going to ignore significant confrontations between them in the comics? I specifically mentioned that I was talking about Grey Hulk and Base level Hulk from the comics that were made before Marvel increased their power levels yet you somehow keep ignoring this point for some reason. 2. The scan you linked is inconsistent with their power levels because there is a much larger amount of occurrences where he can stagger and KO Venom in their confrontations and Venom can do the same to him. I think you found one of the few, if not the only instance where he couldn't hurt Venom. Again, there is an overwhelmingly greater number of cases where he can hurt Venom without using his full strength :   3. At his strongest he is a 50-tonner. I already posted a scan showing so. |
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