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Post by brobear on Feb 15, 2020 16:12:41 GMT 5
I disagree with the account saying bears ALWAYS killed lions Maybe often yeah Atlas bears weighed 400 kg but the lion definately won sometimes No one really knows the size of Atlas bears. Too little observed by science too late. The only description comes from a single specimen. |
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Post by TheLionBoy on Feb 15, 2020 16:15:49 GMT 5
The Atlas bear was Africa's only native bear that survived into modern times. Once inhabiting the Atlas Mountains and neighbouring areas, from Morocco to Libya, the animal is now thought to be extinct.[4] The Atlas bear was brownish black in colour and lacked a white mark on the muzzle. The fur on the underparts was reddish orange.[citation needed] The fur was 4–5 inches (102–127 mm) long. The muzzle and claws were shorter than those of the American black bear, though it was stouter and thicker in body. The Atlas bear was said to have been 9 feet (2.7 m) long and weighed up to 1,000 pounds (450 kg).[5] It apparently fed on roots, acorns and nuts.[6] The Atlas bear was said to have been mostly herbivorous, but since most bears today are omnivores, the Atlas bear is believed to have been able to eat meat as well.[5] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_bear |
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Post by brobear on Feb 15, 2020 16:22:12 GMT 5
Show us a SINGLE ACCOUNT OF A TIGER BEING DISPLACED BY A USSURI FROM HIS KILL.
A sloth bear can and will displace a leopard from its kill with no physical contact. The leopard relinquishes his kill rather than fight with a bear. An American black bear can and will displace a cougar from its kill. The cougar relinquishes his kill rather than fight with a bear. A tiger will not push his luck against a sloth bear who stands his ground. What does all of this mean? It is not within the nature of a cat to go face-to-face against a bear. It is in the nature of a bear to displace other predators from their kills.
When a grizzly ventures upon a tiger with his kill, and walks towards the tiger, the big cat walks away rather than fight the bear. Thus; no evidence of a struggle left behind. There is no struggle. It would make no sense that the tiger would defend his kill against a bear bigger than himself, when he will refuse to go nose-to-nose against a bear half his size.
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Post by TheLionBoy on Feb 15, 2020 16:30:40 GMT 5
Link also a sloth bear can displace leopard i never doubted that even a grown man can do that
I said a large male tiger displaced by an ussuri
Give the link i will agree with u
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Post by brobear on Feb 15, 2020 16:34:21 GMT 5
Post by warsaw on Dec 9, 2010 at 8:22am
"...To this day, not much is known about the Atlas Bear, as it is rumored that the very last among them were hunted to extinction sometime during the course of the late 19th century. No skeletal remains or pelts were ever preserved for study while the living animals were apparently kept by European zoos, and most of what is known about its physical appearance and morphology is derived from scant observations recorded by French scientists in the early 1800s (though, as later discussed, Brown Bear subfossils have been found at various sites in North Africa in recent decades). Its Latin name –though sometimes disputed- is Ursus arctos crowtheri, owing to the reasonable presumption that it was a race of Brown Bear, Ursus arctos..."
planetearthscienceart.blogspot.com/2010/07/africas-only-bear-brief-natural-history.html
Michel Pastoureau
*By the time anyone was actually doing any study of this bear, its numbers were already very low. Just not much known. But the French historian, Michel Pastoureau, dug deeply into the records of the Roman Circus games. The bear always defeated the lion. There were both European and Atlas bears used in these games.
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Post by TheLionBoy on Feb 15, 2020 16:36:00 GMT 5
I HATE HUNTING BACK IN THE DAYS WE COULD SEE LIONS IN THE STREETS OF GREECE
TIGERS IN IRAN
BEARS IN AFRICA
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Post by brobear on Feb 15, 2020 16:39:14 GMT 5
Link also a sloth bear can displace leopard i never doubted that even a grown man can do that I said a large male tiger displaced by an ussuri Give the link i will agree with u Where have you been? This is old stuff. One December morning a few years ago, I witnessed the unusual sight of a sloth bear feeding on a buffalo calf. shaggygod.proboards.com/I came upon a fresh leopard kill about 5 metres off the Talgasmankade road in Yala National Park. The leopard had obviously been disturbed by our approach and had not consumed any part of the kill; it had, however, made an incision about 10 cm wide in the skin of the stomach. As the leopard was not in evidence, we left the area, but returned at around 2.30 that same afternoon. We spotted the leopard, a young male, on a tamarind tree about 50 metres into the jungle. I parked the jeep about 30 metres from the kill, and whiled away the time taking photographs of the leopard on the tree. Suddenly, I heard rustling sound coming from behind the jeep. A sloth bear was approaching the kill, downwind, and therefore oblivious of my presence. The leopard, seeing the bear, slipped down the tree and went towards the dead calf, obviously anxious to protect its spoils. The bear took no notice of him, but kept sniffing the air and following the drag-mark made by the leopard earlier on, which meant he was not taking the most direct path to kill. The leopard sped towards the bear, belly to the ground, making low snarling, hissing sounds. The bear did not relent however, even as the big cat sprang at him thus three more times. Outdone, and in no mood for a fight, the leopard retreated to a small hollow in the thorny scrub. The bear did not bother to pursue him. The confrontation had been a noisy one, but with absolutely no physical contact. The bear then opened up the calf's stomach and began sucking on the gory juices. Then, using his paw, he tore out the intestines and ate them. Next, while holding down the carcass with one paw, he opened out the young buffalo's chest with a single sweep of the other paw and fed on the heart and lungs, sucking up all the blood in the cavity. It was interesting to note that he did not eat any of the 'flesh' (muscle). After feeding for about an hour and a half, the bear sat down patiently, cleaned his paws and face, rolled on the sandy road, and then ambled off in the same direction from whence he had come. Some minutes after his departure, the leopard came out of the thicket and started feeding. We left him to his meal. www.lankalibrary.com/wlife/slothbear.htm  |
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Post by mountainlord on Feb 15, 2020 20:00:44 GMT 5
Did all the other animals tell you that?
And why are you talking to me? You haven't got a clue about tigers, your a complete waste of my time. |
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Post by mountainlord on Feb 15, 2020 20:11:27 GMT 5
Show us a SINGLE ACCOUNT OF A TIGER BEING DISPLACED BY A USSURI FROM HIS KILL. A sloth bear can and will displace a leopard from its kill with no physical contact. The leopard relinquishes his kill rather than fight with a bear. An American black bear can and will displace a cougar from its kill. The cougar relinquishes his kill rather than fight with a bear. A tiger will not push his luck against a sloth bear who stands his ground. What does all of this mean? It is not within the nature of a cat to go face-to-face against a bear. It is in the nature of a bear to displace other predators from their kills. When a grizzly ventures upon a tiger with his kill, and walks towards the tiger, the big cat walks away rather than fight the bear. Thus; no evidence of a struggle left behind. There is no struggle. It would make no sense that the tiger would defend his kill against a bear bigger than himself, when he will refuse to go nose-to-nose against a bear half his size.
And yet again, like always, absolutely NO EVIDENCE to back up your made-up stories.
I have posted fight statistics and observational accounts from renowned Russian biologists, which confirms that tigers DOMINATE Brown bears over kill-disputes. Your just repeating the same old made-up refuted lies over and over again. This is exactly why there's not a single account of even the largest male Brown bears displacing an adult male tiger from a kill: Read this carefully and understand....( The male Amur tiger is a totally different beast compared to other predators and big cats )  Mature male Brown bears completely avoid male tigers at all costs (Unless their desperate), for a good reason. They have even been observed showing blatant FEAR of tigers. |
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Post by brobear on Feb 16, 2020 3:43:41 GMT 5
And yet again, like always, absolutely NO EVIDENCE to back up your made-up stories. These accounts have been around for decades, and the true big cat enthusiasts know this and are capable to man-up and face reality. But you fan-boys just turn a blind eye. Post #127 shows that a sloth bear can displace a leopard and completely ignores the big cat when it tries to bluff the bear. shaggygod.proboards.com/Grizzly Bears view cougars as "Feline Gravy Train" "Cougars, however, generally give the bears a wide berth. Grizzlies have less competition with cougars than with other predators such as coyotes, wolves, and other bears. When a grizzly descends on a cougar feeding on its kill, the cougar usually gives way to the bear. When a cougar does stand its ground, the cougar will use its superior agility and its claws to harass the bear yet stay out of its reach until one of them gives up, usually the cat." Though grizzlies likely kill few cougars, they may see the cats as a feline gravy train. Between 1990 and 1995, wildlife biologist Kerry Murphy and other HWI researchers monitored 113 cougar kills (mostly deer and elk) in Glacier and Yellowstone and discovered that bears (grizzlies and blacks) were claiming a significant share of the spoils. Bruins visited about one of every four cougar kills, robbing the feline owner of as much as 26 percent of its food requirement, sometimes for several days running. "It appears," says Murphy, "that competition for kills creates significant gains for bears and significant losses for cougars." When carnivores clash: what happens when hunter becomes hunted? - includes related article on saving wolves findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1169/is_n4_v36/ai_20925079/ "Grizzly and Black bear visited 24% of cougar kills in GNP and YNP and displaced cougars from their kill 10% of carcasses. Bears gained up to 113% and cougars lost 26 % of their respective daily requirements from these encounters. Bear predation and incomplete consumption of carcasses (especially salmon) provide food for a variety of scavengers." COSEWIC: Assessment and Update Status Report of the Grizzly Bear Ursus arctos in Canada dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/Collection/CW69-14-166-2002E.pdf |
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Post by brobear on Feb 16, 2020 3:46:42 GMT 5
Quote from mountainlord: "...it appears that Amur tigers will occasionally kill bears solely on something that we might recognize as principle."
Yes, tigers kill juvenile bears. This is true.
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Post by brobear on Feb 16, 2020 3:48:46 GMT 5
Did all the other animals tell you that?
And why are you talking to me? You haven't got a clue about tigers, your a complete waste of my time.The "King of the Forest" fears only "The Boss of the Woods" - the mature male grizzly. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 16, 2020 5:28:19 GMT 5
brobear, do you have anyone who quotes that, similar to what ML posted?
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Feb 16, 2020 7:13:20 GMT 5
Did all the other animals tell you that?
And why are you talking to me? You haven't got a clue about tigers, your a complete waste of my time.I got it, you're using the words of natives to fuel your fanatacism. You're a meme at this point lol Awfully bold to assume I "dont know anything about tigers", but you do have an established trend of nonsensical and cringey remarks. |
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Post by smedz on Feb 16, 2020 10:18:04 GMT 5
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