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Post by creature386 on May 6, 2014 16:17:32 GMT 5
Even if herbivores are capable of killing, it is very often the case that you will see the predator killing the herbivore more often than not. There are these very rare occurrences of tigers killing elephants, so can I favor a tiger over an elephant because these very rare tiger kills elephant encounters still outnumber the reserve?
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Post by pckts on May 8, 2014 1:38:19 GMT 5
You actually said something else. This is worse than saying "never seen an impressive gorilla kill", if they "don't kill because they're not predators", what did you try to prove earlier? It doesn't say the size of the Leopard either, which is actually important. And she didn't cause any kind of considerable injury according to your source, perhaps you didn't read the Honey Badger example? 18 wounds and the Leopard didn't even aim to predate on her. If you look at what Leopards take down, a Jaguar won't have too much trouble, seeing as it is larger and more impresive than a Leopard. Ask me for a source for any of my claims then. You aren't proving much either with those. WHAT??? Seriously, use your head. Herbivores DON"T make kills outside of the very rare occasions. Good lord, this is not a debate. Do you want to compare how easy it is to film a predator that must kill weekly or daily to survive compared to a animal that feeds on plants. There are no videos of gorillas fighting, does that mean they do not fight? lol Come on. And once again, it says a Male Leopard, so you can tell its a good sized cat. And it was thwarted by a female cimpanzee. Nothing close to a Male silver back gorilla. Not in the same atmosphere of animal strength and ferocity. Now lets look at your claim on The jag not having any trouble. Do you even know what the size difference between male jags on leopards are? Not as much as you think, and not even close to the size attained by the Silver back gorilla. So while a Jag would definitely have a better chance, the odds are still against the cat who is less than half the size of the Great Ape. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2014 23:33:26 GMT 5
Predators do obviously kill more often, for obvious reasons, which is not our point here. You are generalizing, using the term "herbivores" with no apparent exceptions, herbivores also kill, you are missing the obvious point.
You also missed the point at where you said "There are no videos of gorillas fighting, does that mean they do not fight?" Why are you even asking such a silly question? If I really thought Gorillas didn't fight, I wouldn't be posting here.
Male Leopards average 60kg, and they can be even smaller than that, some can weigh as much as a Labrador Retriever. The Chimpanzee could have been smaller or larger, for all we know.
And are you telling me an animal 40% bigger than another is NOT cosiderably larger? The average Brazilian Jaguar weighs 100kg, 40% larger than the average of a Leopard. Gorillas weigh roughly 130-180kg, honestly if you choose a 100kg Jaguar and a 180kg Gorilla, you're being biased with the ape, because weights can rarely overlap, and they can get fairly close. If you don't consider a 40% size difference much when comparing a Leopard and a Jaguar, why would the same percentage be a lot when the the Jaguar and the Gorilla are compared? Honestly, sounds like bias. You are only looking at the upper bound. And size is not everything when the animal is not that well-armed and typically runs away from predators smaller than itself.
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Post by Runic on May 12, 2014 1:59:42 GMT 5
You have also never seen a single verified account of a leopard killing a black back or silver back gorilla. Although they are fully capable of doing so. And not just with Leopards, but I've never seen any impressive Gorilla kills. im sure leopard are also fully capable of killing lions too if the cat just laid there. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 3:20:53 GMT 5
Although they are fully capable of doing so. And not just with Leopards, but I've never seen any impressive Gorilla kills. im sure leopard are also fully capable of killing lions too if the cat just laid there. A Leopard once killed a Lion in a cage. |
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Post by creature386 on May 13, 2014 16:21:45 GMT 5
That actually rather supports his point.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 6:17:04 GMT 5
Gorilla can pull this off with difficulty.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 9, 2019 20:12:28 GMT 5
I favor the jaguar due to superior weapons
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Post by rock on Apr 29, 2019 23:07:26 GMT 5
i favor the gorilla . he is heavier , stronger and has a stronger bite force .eventually the jaguar would run out of stamina and then the gorilla would overpower him . as long as the gorilla can avoid being bitten on the throat or mortally cut by his sharp claws . i say the silverback gorilla would win 8/10 times with high difficulty
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