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Post by Runic on Mar 26, 2014 0:35:27 GMT 5
Yes which you are exaggerating and taking out of context hence me saying your post is flawed.
Except you said it's a disadvantage and showed a greyhound and a pitbull, one bred for fighting the other for running. Yet here neither the CL nor WD is bred for either task but taking down large prey, so what was the point of showing the picture?
So is a wild dog to a CL. Even at parity if it were even possible a German Shepherd is a powerful working dog with superior jaws. It'd still kill a pitbull.
You must have never seen a pitbull in person. They're short even by dog standards. At parity the GSD would still be taller.
I had the unlucky chance of getting in a scrap with them both on different occasions (as I've mentioned before) and yes, at equal weights I would adamantly say a GSD would dominate a pitbull. Their bites dish out more damage and they do more movement.
Obviously cause it would be a baby. Or a sub-adult. Don't see your point.
Read above, and that still doesn't answer my question. Is height an advantage to it when facing a croc?
Cept it's not a disadvantage. You're just exaggerating Ursus comparison to suit your case.
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Post by mechafire on Mar 26, 2014 3:49:59 GMT 5
The african wild dogs height has it's advantages and disadvantages. Their long slender legs part of what gives them superior stamina. The thinner rigid legs allow it to make long strides with less effort. However, because they are higher off the ground and it's legs are not as heavily muscled, it is easier to knock over.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Mar 26, 2014 4:11:54 GMT 5
Less height is an advantage only to a certain point, once you are way shorter engaging your oppon3nt effectively becomes difficult.
As for this German shepards being able to beat similar sized apbt nonsense well its just that, nonsense.
Its much more likely for a smaller abpt to beat a larger German Shep than it is for a gsd to beat a similar sized apbt.
German shepards are good at what they do but so are pit bulls the difference is pitbulls fight other dogs, German shepards do not.
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Post by Vodmeister on Mar 26, 2014 4:14:36 GMT 5
Exaggerating? Maybe
Taking out of context? In what world?
The point of showing the picture was to disprove your claim that the height of the AWD would in any manner play as an advantage.
I know a wild dog is heavier than a CL. I'm countering your claim that the AWD would gain something out of its greater height if they fought at weight parity.
"Have you seen it" is anecdotal reasoning, and very poor to use in a debate.
More anecdotal evidence. You claim that you've been in a scrap with both? You claim that the German shepherd was clearly more formidable? I'm merely taking your word for it. Now you are moving the goalpost by talking about bites instead of height.
A 1,300 kg Gaur vs a 1,300 kg Giraffe. Both are fully adult. Does the giraffe's height play a role as an advantage or a disadvantage? I'll let you answer that one.
Height is a slight disadvantage.
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Post by spinosaurus1 on Mar 26, 2014 4:25:49 GMT 5
hight is not a disadvantage in most cases, but it's not a real deciding advantage in this fight . it really depends on the species of organism your using. and with these particular two creatures, i really don't think this is all that too important. considering this is a parity fight,i think this fight goes to wich gives the first fatal bite. both of them are equelly able to put eachother down using that rout, which is why i think this is a pretty tough thinking fight to play out. the cat can grapple and implament it's agility to crush the laranx of the canid, yet the canid could just as well tackle and pin the feline down and tear it open alive. this is a solid 50/50 match imo at parity
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Mar 26, 2014 4:30:12 GMT 5
Gaur vs giraffe example is flawed to all hell, the animals are so different from what we are debating here that any conclusion he reaches in favour of your argument or not wouldn't apply to this match up.
JS
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Post by Vodmeister on Mar 26, 2014 4:35:14 GMT 5
Gaur vs giraffe example is flawed to all hell, the animals are so different from what we are debating here that any conclusion he reaches in favour of your argument or not wouldn't apply to this match up. Then again, so is Runic's the GS vs APBT example. Height is certainly not a deceive factor. Grappling ability and weaponry however, can be. |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Mar 26, 2014 4:57:36 GMT 5
Gaur vs giraffe example is flawed to all hell, the animals are so different from what we are debating here that any conclusion he reaches in favour of your argument or not wouldn't apply to this match up. Then again, so is Runic's the GS vs APBT example. Height is certainly not a deceive factor. Grappling ability and weaponry however, can be. Never said it wasn't. |
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Post by spinosaurus1 on Mar 26, 2014 5:02:19 GMT 5
those are basiclly the only major decisive factors for the particular fight
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Post by Runic on Mar 26, 2014 5:46:39 GMT 5
Omg vod you are so freaking dense sometimes.
I never said height was a DECISIVE advantage but simply an advantage. All you're doing is twisting a post from Ursus to suit your argument for it being a disadvantage. Do you actually read what I write!? Or what you write yourself sometimes!?
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Post by Runic on Mar 26, 2014 5:49:54 GMT 5
Less height is an advantage only to a certain point, once you are way shorter engaging your oppon3nt effectively becomes difficult. As for this German shepards being able to beat similar sized apbt nonsense well its just that, nonsense. Its much more likely for a smaller abpt to beat a larger German Shep than it is for a gsd to beat a similar sized apbt. German shepards are good at what they do but so are pit bulls the difference is pitbulls fight other dogs, German shepards do not. Now that is BS. German Shepherd dominate larger dogs just as good if not better than most apbt. To say a apbt is more likely to win is asinine unless you never worked with a good GSD. And you obviously never seen one get into a scrap. |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Mar 26, 2014 5:57:17 GMT 5
Less height is an advantage only to a certain point, once you are way shorter engaging your oppon3nt effectively becomes difficult. As for this German shepards being able to beat similar sized apbt nonsense well its just that, nonsense. Its much more likely for a smaller abpt to beat a larger German Shep than it is for a gsd to beat a similar sized apbt. German shepards are good at what they do but so are pit bulls the difference is pitbulls fight other dogs, German shepards do not. Now that is BS. German Shepherd dominate larger dogs just as good if not better than most apbt. To say a apbt is more likely to win is asinine unless you never worked with a good GSD. And you obviously never seen one get into a scrap. No I'm afraid what you are saying is both BS and asinine, the apbt is a superior fighting dog, no ifs ands or buts. |
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Post by Runic on Mar 26, 2014 6:00:42 GMT 5
Now that is BS. German Shepherd dominate larger dogs just as good if not better than most apbt. To say a apbt is more likely to win is asinine unless you never worked with a good GSD. And you obviously never seen one get into a scrap. No I'm afraid what you are saying is both BS and asinine, the apbt is a superior fighting dog, no ifs ands or buts. Yea if you're a fanboy. That's why GSD generally dominate apbt in fights lol. Theres also a reason GSD are fierce police dogs and apbt are not. They're used to take down humans AND other animals should the fugitive have them. As I said you've obviously never saw a GSD scrap with a larger dog. Your post is infact BS, and asinine. No ifs ands or buts |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Mar 26, 2014 6:27:01 GMT 5
Ever think its because they are a lot bigger? And even then what are they fighting? Pets why because no one uses gsd in pit fights and I doubt they often come into contact with the ones used for hunting things like boar. Yes the larger dogs usually dominate fight at least begining as it wears on the other dog usually looses its spirit or runs out of stamina and then it goes the other way. This is how pit bulls beat bigger stronger dogs.
Gsd are not supposed to be used against other animals on the police force, just to take down humans, nice try though.
Pit bulls are not used as police dogs because they are dumb in comparison to more frequently used breeds (gsd,rottweiler, other similar Shepard breeds) it has everything to with trainability not formidability
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Post by Reticulatus on Mar 26, 2014 6:44:36 GMT 5
Hmm... apbt were specifically bred to fight other dogs and their morphological features where selected thusly, gsd were not bred to fight other dogs.
Back on topic. I can certainly see how height could be an advantage, not necessarily a deciding advantage, but an advantage. The opponents neck and spine would be more accessible, it would also make it easier to pin the other animal to the ground if you start out on top. It also has stability disadvantages. A lower build would have advantages as well, such as balance, center of gravity, and direct access to vital areas.
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